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Did AFFTA Lose Fly Fishing’s Trade Show Death Match? (Furimsky Says YES)

May 28, 2008, by Tom Chandler 17 comments

The Metal Cage Death Match between the American Fly Fishing Tackle Association (AFFTA) and Chuck Furimsky’s Fly Fishing Show has seemingly delivered us a winner.

image And surprisingly, it’s not industry heavyweight AFFTA.

Last year, fly fishing’s industry trade association (AFFTA) announced its first consumer trade show in Denver — a trade show held on the same weekend as Chuck Furimsky’s long-established Fly Fishing Show.

The resulting furball had all the tragi-comedic elements of Shakespearean farce; given its stated intent of growing the sport, why was the industry trade association trying to snuff out an existing show?

AFFTA President Robert Ramsay repeatedly said it wasn’t a personal thing; AFFTA simply felt it was time to gain a little traction (and a revenue stream) from a string of consumer shows while trying to grow the fly fishing market for its members.

Of course, when a trade association targets one of your most profitable trade shows, it might be hard not to take it personally, and Furimsky countered AFFTA’s move with a fair amount of heated rhetoric.

As time passed, the words grew more contentious, the whispering picked up intensity, the threats emerged, and exhibitors were forced to decide which show to attend. Many thought AFFTA’s show — which could count on the attendance of most of fly fishing’s bigger manufacturers — was a major favorite to win.

At the Fly Fishing Retailer show in Denver, the whispering came from every point of the compass.

Some said Furimsky was difficult and deserved his comeuppance. Others said this was simply a bungled money-and-power grab by a panicked AFFTA and its bigger fly fishing manufacturers, who were facing a stagnant industry and disliked the discounting that occurs at Furimsky’s shows.

The Jabs Just Keep Coming

Predictably, after the January showdown, both sides claimed a moral victory, though it wasn’t long after that AFFTA’s President Robert Ramsay — the point man in AFFTA’s effort to launch a string of consumer trade shows — announced he was leaving AFFTA’s top job.

The announcement was immediately pounced on by the Furimsky camp as proof the AFFTA consumer show was a failure.

Then the Underground’s post-show article incited a fair amount of “spirited” commentary from both sides of the issue.

Kenji Haro — director of Denver’s Fly Fishing Retailer Show (a successful dealer-only show that’s run in the fall), posted this comment on the Trout Underground:

I think the point of the AFFTA show was that Chuck’s was not contributing to the industry growth…. fine for the art of bamboo rodmaking, but how does that get more people involved in the sport, which can support your local shops and eventually garner more interest in your niche? Did The Furimsky show give proceeds, even a little, to the association that supports the sport in DC and does outreach to get more people aware and involved?

The Fly Fishing Show’s Dave Seward responded with a salvo of his own, including an allegation that they had offered funding to AFFTA, but that AFFTA simply wanted too much:

As far as “give a little, to the association that supports the sport in DC and does outreach to get more people aware and involved” that is a whole can of worms, no pun intended. At one time The Fly Fishing Show was willing to donate 10% of booth rental fees of every AFFTA member back to AFFTA, they wanted more to put it simply (You can check out this effort on utaff.org/constitution.html “let the Truth be Known” also check out Business as usual).

Furimsky himself also chimed in, and amidst the volleys of charges and counter-charges, the truth will likely never be clear to those without backstage passes to the AFFTA board’s decision-making process.

AFFTA Opts Out of Death Match Weekend

In what Furimsky’s camp cites as a clear victory, AFFTA recently announced they weren’t going to reprise their Denver consumer show, but would instead merge their “successful” show concept with outdoor trade show giant ISE. From the AFFTA press release:

“This agreement with ISE, producers of the largest and longest-running outdoor consumer events in the marketplace, creates the most powerful promotional and educational platform our members have ever had. The highly regarded show concept showcased at our January 2008 consumer Expo in Denver will be used as the model for our collaborative efforts with ISE to produce the finest fly fishing events in the country.”

AFFTA would incorporate “Discover Fly Fishing” pavilions within ISE’s Denver and San Mateo shows aimed at recruiting new fishermen into the sport.

Furimsky — who has maintained all along that his show does plenty for the sport of fly fishing — announced he was partnering with the Federation of Fly Fishers (FFF) and launching in-show recruitment pavilions of his own.

Plans are being finalized to present an “Introduction to Fly Fishing” area staffed by men, women and youth members of F.F.F. that will provide free instruction to any of the tens of thousands who attend the shows. All questions and help requests in every aspect of fly fishing will be professionally responded to by qualified and certified F.F.F. instructors and show personnel.”

Last Show Standing…

Frankly, it’s hard to see a lot of winners in this mess, though Ramsay’s departure and the sublimation of AFFTA’s consumer show into the ISE shows suggests AFFTA no longer has the stomach (and perhaps the budget) for this kind of fight.

Furimsk’s Fly Fishing Show has earned the title of “Last Show Standing,” and while the true behind-the-scenes machinations which led to this furball remain unclear, what is clear is that AFFTA’s new President — Gary Berlin — is walking into a situation requiring a little fence mending.

Also left unclear is the role played by the AFFTA Board of Directors: former AFFTA President Ramsay repeatedly said the decision to launch a competing trade show was the result of a unanimous decision by AFFTA’s board — which includes representatives from industry heavyweights Umpqua, Sage/Rio, Frontier Travel, Simms, Cloudveil, Ross, Orvis and LL Bean.

If this somewhat select group was handed the goal of growing participation in a stagnant fly fishing industry — and their best answer involved a divisive attempt to terminate an existing fly fishing show and claim its revenues for their own organization — then the fly fishing industry as a whole might be headed for a rocky ride, and not solely as a result of economic forces.

As always, the Undergrounders should feel free to add their perspective below. See you on the river, Tom Chandler.

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The Fly Fishing Trade Show Wars: What Happened? (And Why Did the AFFTA Prez Resign?)

February 4, 2008, by Tom Chandler 13 comments

While I’m not turning the Underground into the Fly Fishing Industry Gossip Blog, I’ve already posted a pair of articles about fly fishing’s trade show wars — specifically the Metal Cage Chainsaw Death Match between Denver’s The Fly Fishing Show (headed by Chuck Furimsky) and the American Fly Fishing Trade Association’s (AFFTA) just-launched show.

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Furimsky or Ramsay in the crosshairs? (photo courtesy Garrison Photography)

If you’ll recall, AFFTA launched a consumer trade show on the same weekend as Furimsky’s existing consumer show, and admitted that yes — they were targeting the Furimsky show for termination.

The shows were held the January 4-6 weekend, and yes, I’d love to know what happened.

So does Denver Post columnist Charlie Myers, who asked his readers who went to which show and why.

The dueling fly fishing shows that ended last week at two Denver locations created considerable buzz among the long-rod community.

Many anglers chose to return to the longstanding Fly Fishing Show at the Denver Merchandise Mart, others switched allegiance to the American Fly Fishing Trade Association’s new offering at the Colorado Convention Center and quite a few opted for a peek at both.

Some comments lauded the space and family friendly nature of the AFFTA show, and yet there were several complaints about the cancellation (without notice) of a pair of celebrity clinics.

The Fly Fishing Show (at the Merchandise Mart) seemed to go off as usual; Dave Sewak of The Fly Fishing Show said "we had great weather, so attendance was excellent. We had no problems, and people loved the show."

Some complained that the Merchandise Mart is small, and that there weren’t enough opportunities to try new gear.

Ramsay Departure Spices the Mix

Adding intrigue to the mix was the post-show departure of AFFTA President Robert Ramsay, who announced via press release that he was leaving the organization to pursue other interests.

It’s intriguing to speculate about the causes of the departure, but our last shred of journalistic integrity requires us to write that his departure could be wholly unrelated to the consumer trade show follies.

We’ll know for sure in a few months, when we find out if the AFFTA show commits a repeat engagement.

Did any Undergrounders attend? Any comments from the gallery?

See you anywhere but at a trade show, Tom Chandler

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Two Fly Fishing Shows Enter. Only One Leaves. Welcome to the Denver Fly Fishing Show Death Match

December 12, 2007, by Tom Chandler 9 comments

The sparks and the rhetoric flew when the American Fly Fishing Trade Association (AFFTA) announced it was getting into the fly fishing consumer trade show business — by competing head-to-head with an already-established Denver consumer show.

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