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	<title>The Trout Underground Fly Fishing Blog &#187; Leaders</title>
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		<title>Leader Madness: Sully&#8217;s Extraterrestrial Underground</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 18:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s that time of the year when long leaders are part of the game - especially when fishing small bugs in the low, clear flows.
And when the Underground talks leaders, it talks to Underground Montana Correspondent Sully, who has spent a lifetime testing leader formulas to a state of perfection. (Well, not a whole lifetime. [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s that time of the year when long leaders are part of the game - especially when fishing small bugs in the low, clear flows.</p>
<p>And when the Underground talks leaders, it talks to <strong><em>Underground Montana Correspondent Sully</em></strong>, who has spent a lifetime testing leader formulas to a state of perfection. (Well, not a <em>whole </em>lifetime. He&#8217;s not dead.)</p>
<p>This is perhaps the most unusual of all the Sully recommended leaders - a 16.5&#8242; specimen that <em>always </em>turns over.</p>
<p>When asked about its origins, Sully simply said the original formula was found on <strike>twisted fragments of an alien-looking metal during a recent visit to Area 51. Then he pulled out an odd penlight, flashed it in my eyes, and</strike>&#8230; wait, where am I?</p>
<p><img alt="Upper Sacrmento River in Fall requires long leaders" id="image575" src="http://troutunderground.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/fallreel.jpg" /><br />
<em>The low, clear flows of fall and winter mean BWOs - and long leaders.</em></p>
<p>Huh. Lost my train of thought.</p>
<p>Anyway, I see I&#8217;ve already pasted the leader formula below. Nobody knows where the formula comes from, though it&#8217;s easily the most extra-terrestrial of the Sully leaders, two of which we already passed along (links to those at the end of this post).</p>
<p>I use this leader extensively fishing small flies in the low, clear water of Fall and Winter. The turnover on this is truly amazing, and the drifts are spectacular.</p>
<p>It responds well to caster inputs, so pile and reach casts actually work like they&#8217;re supposed to.</p>
<p>Like any long leader, there&#8217;s little joy to be found fishing it in the wind. There is, however, a lot of joy in hooking tough fish.</p>
<p><strong>Dia.           Length</strong><br />
.025             4&#8242;  <em>Rio Powerflex Butt Material</em> (start with 4 feet but trim down length if leader doesn&#8217;t turn over well)<br />
.022             3&#8242;  <em>Rio Powerflex Butt Material</em><br />
.017             8&#8243;  <em>Rio  Powerflex</em><br />
.015             7&#8243;<br />
.013             6&#8243;<br />
.011            10&#8243;<br />
.010            20&#8243;<br />
.011            11&#8243;<br />
.009            15&#8243;<br />
.007              8&#8243;<br />
.005   30&#8243; (6x)</p>
<p>Sully&#8217;s pretty specific about materials, but this design will stand some tinkering.</p>
<p>He recently constructed a prototype using Orvis Hy-Flote butt material, which is smaller than the listed sizes and very flexible. It&#8217;s a perfect match for my more flexible fly lines (Cortland Sylk and 444 Peach).</p>
<p>I would definitely try a smaller butt diameter if I was trying this leader with a 4wt line.</p>
<p><strong>Other Sully Leader Designs</strong></p>
<p>Sully&#8217;s <a title="Sully's Big Bug leader" href="http://troutunderground.com/2006/07/09/sullys-principles-of-leadership/">Big Bug Leader design</a>: 10.5&#8242; long and it turns over big dries beautifully. My favorite all-around leader spring and summer.</p>
<p>Sully&#8217;s <a title="Short-range leader link" href="http://troutunderground.com/2006/07/21/fly-fishing-friday-with-free-prize-inside/">short-range accuracy leader</a>: 7.5&#8242; long, but a small stream killer.</p>
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		<title>Fly fishing Friday&#8230; with FREE prize inside!</title>
		<link>http://troutunderground.com/2006/07/21/fly-fishing-friday-with-free-prize-inside/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, the heavens have opened up and the rain is coming down, and the Trout Underground saw that it was good. Great, in fact. Suddenly, it&#8217;s ten degrees cooler, no sun, drizzle&#8230; if it holds up through the afternoon, I&#8217;m out the door with float tube in hand.
Forecasts for the weekend have similarly dropped a [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the heavens have opened up and the rain is coming down, and the Trout Underground saw that it was good. Great, in fact. Suddenly, it&#8217;s ten degrees cooler, no sun, drizzle&#8230; if it holds up through the afternoon, I&#8217;m out the door with float tube in hand.</p>
<p>Forecasts for the weekend have similarly dropped a good 8-10 degrees, so your Quality Fly Fishing Experience should involve more fun and less heatstroke. Sometimes life gives you a good bounce (ever smack a tree limb with a cast only to have the fly fall in <em>exactly </em>the right spot?) and only the most morose would fail to take advantage.</p>
<p><strong>Absolutely FREE Today Only&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>And speaking of advantages, we&#8217;re offering a special treat today - another one of Sully&#8217;s marvelous leader &#8220;double taper&#8221; leader designs. This one&#8217;s a short 7.5&#8242; model that I fished extensively in the tight Brookie streams of Tennessee. He describes casting it as being similar &#8220;to throwing darts&#8221; and I have to agree.</p>
<p>Pinpoint casting is the only way to catch fish in those tiny streams, and this design couldn&#8217;t have been better.</p>
<p><strong>Sully&#8217;s Short Double Taper Design</strong> (note the alliteration)</p>
<p>Dia.     Length (inches)<br />
.019    27.5  (Rio Powerflex)<br />
.017    9<br />
.015    8<br />
.013    7<br />
.012    6      (Rio Salmon, Bass, Steelhead for this segment only)<br />
.015    7<br />
.011    6<br />
.009    5<br />
.007    (4x)   18 or more</p>
<p>Coming soon, the Big Leader Payoff &#8212; a 16.5&#8242; design that really, really works. Like every time&#8230;.</p>
<p>Also, we&#8217;ve got some Underground Entertainment headed your way, but I&#8217;m going to start separating those posts from the others. Easier that way. So until then, see you in the float tube, Tom Chandler</p>
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		<title>Sully&#8217;s Principles of Leaders(hip)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 22:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sully</dc:creator>
		
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[Editor: Underground Montana Correspondent Sully knows leaders better than Hugh Hefner knows twenty-somethings, and today - in honor of the Golden Stone hatch - he graces us with his &#8220;Big Bug&#8221; leader design that (trust me) works like stink. I&#8217;ve fished this leader for years, and yes, it really does turn over huge bugs with [...]
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<p><strong>[Editor: Underground Montana Correspondent Sully knows leaders better than Hugh Hefner knows twenty-somethings, and today - in honor of the Golden Stone hatch - he graces us with his &#8220;Big Bug&#8221; leader design that (trust me) works like stink. I&#8217;ve fished this leader for years, and yes, it really does turn over huge bugs with aplomb&#8230;) </strong></p>
<p>:::::::: Sully Post ::::::::</p>
<p>At a FFF Conclave in Steamboat Springs several decades ago, Lefty (yes THAT Lefty) told the assembled novitiates that the butts on trout leaders were <em>too thin</em> and <em>too stiff</em>.</p>
<p>Endearing characteristics on snow bunnies to be sure, but not the best prescription for smooth casting. Long story short &#8212; Lefty was right. Maxima, Mason and the like tie up into wonderful saltwater, steelhead and salmon leaders. Your trout leaders cast better with butts made from more pliable stuff, like: Hal Janssen Leader Control, Rio Powerflex Butt Material and the new Orvis (Monic) Hy-Flote.</p>
<p><strong>The Double Taper Leader</strong></p>
<p>Who knows when the concept of “double-taper leaders” first sprang on the scene?  Ray Bergman included some double-taper recipes in <em>Trout, </em>first published<em> </em>in<em> </em>1938<em>. </em> A.J. McClane included both a trout and a bass double-taper in <em>The Practical Fly Fisherman</em>.</p>
<p>My copy dates from 1975 and the tapers may have been included in the original 1953 edition. A.J.  noted, “While not many people use double-tapers, this design has a definite place in casting fanwings, large bivisibles, or hairwings, all of which tend to increase drag on the unrolling line.”</p>
<p>These early designs basically started with small diameter butts and transitioned up.  One of these designs really IS a double taper: McClane’s trout taper begins with a .015&#8243; butt segment, works stepwise up to .018&#8243; and then back down again. The design I favor was described in <em>Fly Fisherman</em> a while ago. My copy is hiding in a box in the basement. If YOU or a loved one wrote the article, write Chandler and he’ll provide full recognition and maybe a Beetle Bug.</p>
<p>This design basically adds a single large diameter segment at a strategic point. You must determine where the leader is loosing enthusiasm for turning over and tie the kicker segment there. Ultimately you can’t use an equation: empiricism is involved. It&#8217;s just crazy enough to work. And of course, it&#8217;s the last thing they&#8217;d expect us to do&#8230;</p>
<p>In practice these “double-tapers” work great.  These are extremely smooth-casting leaders, lacking the herky-jerky whiplash you’re fearing as you read this.</p>
<p>Sully&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>The </strong><strong>Big Fly</strong>  (just the thing for golden stones, etc.)</p>
<p><strong>Dia.       </strong> <strong>     Length</strong><br />
.021              30&#8243;    Janssen’s Leader Control 25#  OR Orvis Hi-Flote 40# .021”<br />
.019              22&#8243;    Rio Powerflex OR Orvis Hi-Flote 30# .019”<br />
.017              15&#8243;    Rio Powerflex<br />
.015              11&#8243;<br />
.013                8&#8243;<br />
.015              10&#8243;<br />
.012                7&#8243;    Rio  Salmon/Bass/Steelhead<br />
.009                6&#8243;    your Favorite tippet<br />
.008    12&#8243; (3x)<br />
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