In what I’ll admit is a clear case of snow-driven retail therapy, I just ordered a 6wt Bass Bug fly line from the Orvis Clearance Tent.
I haven’t owned one of those aggressively front-loaded, big-bug throwing fly lines in well over a decade, but given my desire to get back to throwing poppers at bass from a float tube, it seemed like time.
Especially given the $23 price tag.

A reservoir trout -- and a good reason to own a handful of 6wt fly lines
(In this post, the Underground rolls out the Index Rating the rest of the fly fishing industry has sadly neglected: The Risk To Relationship Rating. An R2RR rating of 23 is pretty safe; a rating of 800 [e.g. -- for one of the new high-end fly rods] puts you firmly in the red zone.)
Still, no purchase ever goes unpunished, and in this case, adding another 6wt line has added a little juice to my only real source of fly fishing gear angst.
I don’t have any place to put them all.
I’ve got five 6wt fly lines, but only one 6wt reel:
- A slow-sinking clear intermediate line (my “go-to” stillwater line)
- A faster-sinking (Type 3?) solid line
- An Outbound streamer line
- A standard DT floating line
- A Bass Bug line (as soon as it arrives, anyway)
Only two of the above are actually found on reels, and one is mounted on an old Teton Tioga, which may be strong enough to withstand a nuclear strike, but which is, I’ve decided, way too damned heavy.
(I’m not one of those anal types whose reels have to balance their rods perfectly, but even I have my limits. It’s voted off the island, paving the way for my followup gear post: The Underground Closeout Sale).
Stillwater guru [Name Redacted] impressed me with his stillwater system; a couple of those truly affordable synthetic fly reels and a handful of extra spools (sadly, he managed to misplace the reels last season).
He liked their affordability (a former government employee, he said they were “Forest Service cheap“) and the fact they weighed almost nothing.
Both of which are sounding pretty good.
As a man who has caught a lot of very big trout on lakes, if he says they work, then they work.
So I turn to the Undergrounders for their advice.
The Reel System
I can find a reel for my floating line. Which leaves those four other specialty fly lines.
Is the smart play to buy a pair of synthetic fly reels and a handful of spare spools? (Orvis sells a $49 budget model with $25 spare spools, so the Risk To Relationship Rating is $150.)
Or do I risk matrimonial eviction and pony up for a pair of mid-range reels and a couple spare spools? (Risk To Relationship Rating of $330.)
Note that I’m looking at two reels. There are times when one sinking fly line isn’t enough, and despite what the popular literature would have you believe, changing spools while fishing is not a particularly quick or relaxing process.
Has anyone else come up with an affordable system that doesn’t lead to the immediate filing of divorce papers?
Keep in mind I’m not a reel snob; I own one of the Winston/Hardy Perfects (a tradeout) and one of those high-end Ross fly reels meant to mimic the original Etna-built Ross. I bought both a bargain prices, but I can safely say I’d have done just fine without either of them.
In fact, there’s something to be said for fishing with reels affordable enough to not generate a sharp, worried intake of breath every time you stumble.
Underground Gear Fiends, the floor is yours.
See you juggling 6wt fly lines, Tom Chandler.




























What do you do with those 6wt fly lines? You get your butt to North Carolina and throw the bass bug at some river largemouths in my neck of the woods, the intermediate at some Virginia smallies, and the DT at some Tennessee trout. I suspect that both the Rutters and I would be happy to see you.
Mike(Quote)
The twin trips to Ethiopia are keeping things unsettled over here, though a trip to TN in March is a possibility…
Tom Chandler(Quote)
Option 1 Repossess the pants, (I know this from a single guy)
Option 2 Cheaper reel with extra spools
Option 3 How many bamboo rods do you own ? ( don’t answer this ) sell just one and buy what ever you want
Victor(Quote)
Try that, and you’ll never have a reason to take them off again…
Oddly, part of the angst here is because I’m taking a simpler is better approach to next year’s fly fishing, with leaves with at least two bamboo fly rods that are surplus to requirements…
Tom Chandler(Quote)
The rating system is genius. Pure genius. I have to wonder though, could there be a sliding scale to it, or a way to calibrate the scale? By that, I mean that there are days when even a R2RR of 5 can get a flyfisher (please note the gender indifference…) into hot water, while there are other days where we can push the limits a bit further.
Any thoughts or advice out there for a recent snow driven retail therapy victim who has yet to “mention” his latest indiscretion?
MacLoosh(Quote)
If you haven’t done your prep work (you lay the groundwork months in advance, punctuating your conversations with deep, melancholy sighs as you grapple with the possibility of life without the [insert gear here]).
As for a sliding scale, I think there’s room for a multiplier based on household mood, and it’s likely there should be some kind of progression so the higher end of the scale balloons a bit ($800 rod generates a R2RR of at least 1000).
Obviously, there’s more deeply scientific work to be done here (which would be helped along by a government grant).
Tom Chandler(Quote)
You are clearly a student of Sun Tzu’s “Art of War”. You have both laid the groundwork, and know your opponent. I’m duly impressed! Marriage (and retail therapy) truly is just a game of chess: Moves–and counter moves.
MacLoosh(Quote)
OOOH! OOOH! Mr.Cotter!Mr.Cotter! (There,I have established my age from TV trivia) I’ll take that Tioga off yer grubby ink-stained hands;yes,they’re heavy but I need a 6wt and I have lusted after a bigger one for awhile….It should balance my old Lamiglass quite nicely……
JP2(Quote)
Sold to the Sweathog down front. Send me an email and we’ll figure it out.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
The nice thing about trout fishing is that you generally don’t need a top of the line reel. Steelhead and those big Alaskan bows are the exception to this rule.
Anyway there are a lot of inexpensive reels out there that will suit your needs just fine. Check out the Okuma reels. They’re inexpensive and the spools are less than $30 each. The Okuma Sierra 5/6 is what I own along with the Integrity 5/6 and 7/8. Haven’t had any problems with any of them.
BrianThomas(Quote)
I’m like you — pretty old school about drags, which really only need to be strong enough to keep the line from overrunning while I’m stripping. I’ll buy one “strong enough to stop a train” when I start fishing for trains.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
They’re at the top of your ratio, but I used Battenkill Bar Stocks for everything 6 wt and below. I’ve got two of the BBS 3 frames and probably half a dozen spools for 4,5 & 6 wt lines.
All that said, I’ve also got an Okuma Sierra for my “back-up” rod — the one I let clumsy friends use — and I’ve used it several times and it does the trick at much less expense.
I guess I’m just a bit of a Whorvis then it comes to that Manchester-based company.
Steve Z(Quote)
I must be way behind the times. I thought I was being pretty trendy getting a Battenkill LA (on sale) about four years ago – other than that I still use two old Battenkills that are a little bent up and scape edges from falling on Bitterroot River granite rock. No wonder the economy is still mired in apathy – time to start shopping. Although the SO in my life has been sighing heavily over some kind of carbon-fiber tripod for film work – laying the ground work as you suggest is important. I won’t burden you with the Yvon Chouinard story about dumping a huge armful of rods at a second hand store in Jx last year. It is enough to make a grown man cry………
Taku(Quote)
Oh come on, you know you’re way behind the times…
Tom Chandler(Quote)
I use a pflueger medalist fly reel the newer rim control model that allows you to palm the reel. I catch 20″ plus rainbows on the Missouri in MT on a weekly basis and have no problems. I do take the screws out and put a drop of lock-tite on them to keep them from coming loose. It has drag if you want it and the price of reels is low enough to by a couple instead of buying spare spools. I do use some higher end stuff for steelhead and salmon. I know its a bit like putting a Budwiser label on a good bottle of scotch but I put the real on a $700 Winston rod. I would put the extra cash into a rod or line before the reel in most cases.
Terry(Quote)
Sell four lines. Your problem will be solved and critical R2RR credits will be banked. Much like $800 is 1000 points, I believe anything in the red grows up exponentially as it demonstrates dedication to domestic harmony.
Of course, the used fly line market ain’t what it used to be.
Clif(Quote)
For your floating weight-forward lines, install a quality aftermarket running line on one spool, whack the running lines behind the head and install loops. Easy peasy, and it’s what I’ve done with most of my lines. Spey and single hand. I reccemend Airflo miracle braid. It floats, shoots like crazy, easy to handle and a breeze to install blind spliced loops in. If you make the loop in the running line large enough to fit over a standard plastic line spool, you can change out lines in a matter of seconds. Food for thought maybe.
trout chaser(Quote)
Interesting idea, but I rarely use WF lines (outside of specialty lines), so the economy of scale is lost here.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
I can’t believe they’re all doing it wrong.
Take all six lines and knot them together, wind them onto a single reel. Save money on backing, and no extra spool needed. Enjoy a lasting and permanent relationship.
kbarton10(Quote)
This works great, except for that whole fishing thing.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
Have to agree w/BRIANTHOMAS, the Okuma reels for the price are bullet proof. I have 3 Integrity 5/6 reels w/a spare spool for each, all my 5 & 6 wt lines are attached and ready to go. I did buy a plastic reel (Redington) for my 4 wt backpack rod, dang if I don’t like that one too!
The rating system is genius! Would like to add an alternate rating system for those of us with no relationship, the R2PC scale (Risk to Pay Check) which perhaps is parralel yet seperate from the R2RR scale.
The R2PC scale perhaps has more considerations but less consequence.
New waders? Ramen for a month? Turn off the heat? What can I sell on e-bay? MMMMmmmm, I love cup o’noodles! Drink cheap beer? (OH GOD NO!)
FlyLink(Quote)
Tom, don’t know much about stillwater trout fishing, but living here in the Midwest, I do know something about bass, both largemouth and smallmouth, fishing. As others have mentioned, you don’t need a reel with a fancy drag. Buy the Orvis composite reel or the Okuma and some spare spools. Save some cash and take your wife out to dinner. That way down the road if you need some piece of fly fishing gear that does cost some dough, you have already greased the skids.
Dave R(Quote)
On the reels vs spools dilemma… I’m not a fan of having a bunch of spare spools for one reel frame. Just buy multiple reels if you can! Even if this means going less $$ on the reels. Then you can use them on multiple rods if you like.
like you said:
“pretty old school about drags, which really only need to be strong enough to keep the line from overrunning while I’m stripping. I’ll buy one “strong enough to stop a train” when I start fishing for trains.”
Exactly my thoughts.
Usually when you are stripping from float tube you have a bunch of line stripped out already for the long cast (hopefully neatly piled in your stripping basket!) so when you hook a fish just hand strip them in, keeping pressure and landing them quickly. Sometimes it just not necessary to “get the fish on the reel” unless it’s a real toad. Stripping line on a fly rod is the most efficient for dry fly casting and streamer fishing (assuming you’re making long casts). Go cheaper and buy more reels not spools!!
Dave N(Quote)
I tend to agree, especially with sinking lines. It’s not that rare to fish three rods from a boat (intermediate, floater, fast sink), and staring at two reels and three spare spools (pick two, not three) wouldn’t bring joy to my day.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
Split the difference. Get one midrange reel with an extra spool, and one affordable composite reel with extra spool. LL Bean sells a large arbor composite (the Quest II) that is functionally equivalent to the Orvis model, but only $29/$18 instead of $49/$25. (At that price, heck, you could get 2 of those rather than 1 and a spool! Or for the absolute minimum R to R ratio, buy just 1 cheap reel first and see how you like it before you execute the rest of your buying strategy.
I can also echo the comments about Okumas, btw. I have a Sierra 5/6 and a Magnitude 5/6 and they are perfectly fine. They are essentially the same reel except that 1 is aluminum and the other is (slightly lighter) magnesium. Two things to be aware of, though, (1) they have no audible click on the retrieve and (2) they have a thick foot that doesn’t fit in all reel seats, so you have to try them on your own rod before buying.
fausto(Quote)
Cabela’s or BassPro should be able to hook you up at just about any pricepont, I’d say.
I have caught decent pike, pollack, coalfish and rainbows on crappy/cheap reels like the Leeda LC60 and BFR Dragonfly III. For years, I might add. Not pretty, but they do the job. Just about anything on offer these days should be better.
Orvis carried the BFR for a while, but at the moment I only see spools on offer.
My only REAL demand is that I can palm the spool. For a big reservoir rainbow or a biggish coalfish that’s enough. Should work for bass, unless they’re much stronger then I am led to believe.
peter(Quote)
I have one rod (7/8) and one reel; Shimano Biocraft (7/8) plus two spares spools, so I have a floater, intermediate sink tip, and intermediate sinking.
Works for me.
Tom, I noted your comment about the hassle and time used to swap lines.
On the lake the other day, I withheld swapping lines just for that reason. It’s the same excuse I haven’t been swapping over when I knew I should, even though I bought the spare spools to do just that.
Anyway, I finally succumbed to the unjust, torturous, headache-inducing, reject-at-all-costs disaster of swapping the spools, and it took me all of…..a few minutes.
Hmmmm. Not as bad as I thought, and after two hours of rejecting the notion, it took me about three or four minutes (at the most) to unhurredly get the fly down to where the fish were.
I think I need to readjust my sense of outrage.
paul w(Quote)
Oh, and I’m sure those reels would be fine. They look good. Great price, too!
I bought mine as a (rare) indulgent present to myself.
paul w(Quote)
When fishing for Trains just remember to keep its head up !
couching tiger(Quote)
For me, solutions came from two directions. I split out a separate “hobby” account several years ago. The ebay transactions are all conducted through there. When I sell a lens I bought with photos I sold (photography was a “hobby”, not an avocation), the money goes in the hobby account. When I buy yet another fiberglass rod, the money comes from the hobby account. I convinced my wife some time back that it was also appropriate that I receive a monthly allowance for hobby expenses. You know where that goes. I can let it accumulate if I have a “need” for something a little pricier.
For the actual reel problem, I think you’re on the right track. I’ve never been a fan of extra spools, either. And, I’d rather buy used, quality reels than a new one with spools. Astute shopping on the boards like Fiberglass Flyrodders forum and ebay can turn up reel (sorry) bargains, whether you stick to older click-pawl designs or go for newer designs.
My perception is that reel prices are down right now, so it could be good time to buy. I recently sold two Lamson LiteSpeed LS2s, like new, for only $140 each. I’ve seen others go for less in the past 2 months. These were close to $300 when new.
Get into the click-pawl realm and it gets even more reasonable. There is currently listed on ebay, a pair of Orvis Battenkill 5/6 click-pawl reels with a spare spool. Current price? Buy it now for $188 + $10 shipping. This might actually be a little high.
If you aren’t in a hurry, this is a great way to go. You can get less premium but perfectly serviceable reels under $50 routinely. And as someone mentioned above, there’s always the Pflueger Medalist. I just bought a late ’50s/early ’60s 1495 in the box with instructions for $45. Great reel, great price. I don’t mind using it up, either. The 1495 is dandy for a 6 weight.
Jim
It’s kind of fun, too.
JimF(Quote)
After a series of pretty mediocre purchases (things are never quite as they’re represented) I mostly avoid eBay these days. There are a lot of really functional, wildly affordable fly reels out there (dare I say the market is overpopulated), and I’m going to buy a couple (and one or two spare spools) and leave it at that.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
Greys GX reels. For about 100 bucks you get the reel and 3 spools. They are cassette spools, so they are lighter and can be carried in the vest quite easily. I’ve never had a problem with durability.
Rex(Quote)
If gear retailers were really clever they’d package things like rods and reels with earrings.
Mark Coleman(Quote)
Yeah, but what if you’re single? In a small town, this is how rumors get started…
Still, an intriguing idea, though you’d think something with a high R2R Rating would come with a spa weekend…
Tom Chandler(Quote)
That’s the freebie when you sign up for one of their branded credit cards.
Mark Coleman(Quote)