The felt sole vs rubber sole wading boot wars are far from over, but after Simms announced their self-imposed felt sole ban was effectively over, a couple of things have become clear.
First, Singlebarbed calls the industry on this stuff better than anybody.
SIMMS has apparently pulled the plug on its self imposed felt ban, and will be making all manner of felt soled wading shoes for 2012.
Naturally we’ll assume that’s its the suddenly decreased threat of Didymo that’s the root cause of this sudden change-of-heart, or it may simply be the recognition that angler behavior is the key to invasive species spread, and like prostitution it’s tough to legislate morality.
Me, I think their holy oath resulted in their being spanked smartly in the retail aisle, as any discussion on rubber soles amongst us anglers brings great froth, dissent, and much vitriol over their efficacy. Adding additional burden has been the lack of reliable information from shoes owners, given that the same boot is mentioned both as slippery and useless and wonderful, depending on who’s doing the pontificating.
I switched to rubber years ago for its longevity — and while I’m willing to argue against felt for all sorts of reasons (rapid wear, snow buildup, wet grass/out of water performance, slow drying time, etc) — even I won’t pretend rubber’s the equal of felt in difficult wading conditions (which for a lot of fishermen is anytime they get their feet wet).
Simply put, the invasives issue doesn’t hinge on the material of your wading boot sole — it’s the effective, universal cleaning regime that doesn’t yet seem to exist.
Exactly how do you render your boots (and waders, and gravel guards, and float tube, and…) invasive-free when you’re on a road trip — starting early, fishing late, and moving to a new body of water every day?
Drying and freezing are out, and chemical “cures” (like bleach) are potentially worse than the disease (what happens when a hundred anglers with bleach residue on their gear step into the same stretch of a medium sized river every day for a whole season?).
The Fallout
I was at the trade show where Simms announced its self-imposed felt sole ban, and there was more than a little grumbling among the other manufacturers about Simms oversimplifying the invasives issue in order to count marketing coup (and Trout Unlimited’s complicity in the whole deal).
It’s hard to speak to anyone’s motives — and the Simms move definitely fired the invasives discussion — but it’s also clear the majority of the anglers in the marketplace weren’t willing to blindly switch sole materials, at least in the absence of open discussion and (apparently) overblown promises of “it grips as well as felt.”
One industry-friendly site is already casting this decision in terms of industry leadership or choice (and not cold, hard cash), and you can expect more kid glove treatment from the rest of the usual suspects.
By contrast, look the number of dissenters who found a voice online, and tell me if this isn’t another example of independent online sites providing a useful check on a largely uncritical, industry-friendly media landscape.
See you slipping and sliding on the river, Tom Chandler.




























That’s gotta be a tad embarrassing.
I still think rubber is the way to go. Without any facts to confuse the issue, I’ve got to believe that few folks are actually washing their gear regardless of whether they’re fishing infected waters or clean waters or waters for which they really have no clue. If they don’t wash or inspect their gear, then all your hope is on drying.
Steve Z(Quote)
“a useful check on a largely uncritical, industry-friendly media landscape.”
Bitches?
the professor(Quote)
Simms boots suck anyway. Freakin on my third set in 2 years !
shon(Quote)
I’m about to embark on a 10 day trip throughout Nevada, Utah and Colorado, fishing nearly every day. Being the responsible kind, I’m not sure how I’m going to clean my boots and waders everyday to be sure I don’t contaminate distant waters. The best plan I’ve heard is to spray them down with a bleach/water mixture, let them set, then rise them off in the hotel bathtub before packing them away (wet, but hopefully clean) for the next day’s adventures. Anyone know of a better plan for a situation such as this? Tom’s right, freezing or drying are simply out of the question.
Smarter and Better Looking Brother(Quote)
Thoughtful prayer?
If you have felt soles, you’re just rolling the dice. Otherwise, your regimen is about as conscientious and thorough as conditions and current science allows. Recommend soaking in that bleach/hot water solution vs just spraying but you can only do what you can do.
Steve Z(Quote)
Clean:
The Biosecurity New Zealand website advises that there are several ways to kill didymo. Choose the most practical treatment for your situation which will not adversely affect your gear.
Non-absorbent items
Detergent: Soak or spray all surfaces for at least one minute in 5% dishwashing detergent or nappy cleaner (two large cups or 500 mls with water added to make 10 litres); or
Bleach: Soak or spray all surfaces for at least one minute in 2% household bleach (one small cup or 200 mls with water added to make 10 litres); or
Hot water: Soak for at least one minute in very hot water kept above 60 °C (hotter than most tap water) or for at least 20 minutes in hot water kept above 45 °C (uncomfortable to touch).
Sully(Quote)
I carry two sets of wading boots, one can be soaking in something back at the camp/motel while the other is on my feet. Wear each set on alternate streams or days.
Nuke it from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure.
KBarton10(Quote)
I’m curious as to the effectiveness of the “new” felt substitute that is available for the Korkers boots. Any thoughts or comments?
mickeykelly(Quote)
Unfortunately, Korkers didn’t send me one of these to try so I don’t know the pluses and minuses.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
Just an update on the Korkers Svelte soles; the original versions apparently gripped well, but according to a guide friend, a client’s soles lasted all of three days. Ouch.
Korkers has created a new version that increases the durability, but I haven’t seen them and haven’t talked to anyone using the new soles.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
I switched to rubber a few years ago and never looked back. The main reasons were the same as mentioned:Longer life (the boots) better traction on land, and fairly good traction in the water. Because most of my fishing occurs after a hike to the water, I really appreciated the longevity of the boots. I agree with Singlebarbed tho’ Simms should cut the price so we can buy 2 pairs, one to wear and one to treat!
Bubba Zinetti(Quote)
Here’s a practical option while traveling.
Purchase a plastic snaplid container at your local Megalomart.
Soak wading boots in your treatment of choice (2% bleach or 5% detergent) at camp, luxury lodge, or in the bed of your rusting pickup overnight and while chasing down rumored hatches.
Works well- even better with two pairs of boots as suggested by Singlebarb.
Sully(Quote)
One issue is this: which invasives?
Didymo is one thing (and it’s fairly susceptible to disinfectants), but we’re also talking about NZ Mudsnails, zebra mussels, Donald Trump, etc.
In any case, does anyone wanna bet on the number of fly fishermen who are not doing anything of the sort?
Tom Chandler(Quote)
For Donald Trump cooties. Just burn it!
couching tiger(Quote)
Great discussion
Personally, the rubber soles have been a windfall. My rubber soles with studs are awesome, and are far superior in gripping power to my previous felts (no studs.) It has also been a windfall for my saltwater wading as the felt soles were useless in muck, and smelled worse the day after.
Are there any nature friendly disinfectants that have been tested? Seems like the organic farmers would have come up with something like vinegar…
Allen Wyatt(Quote)
Amusing FYI: I was just reminded by a guide friend that a Simms Rep had recently berated him for finding the Simms rubber soles unusable on his waters, at one point even suggesting he “was using them wrong.”
Trying to substitute your own commercial agenda for someone’s else’s reality is generally a losing proposition, and the fly fishing industry — which has enjoyed a certain immunity from such things in the past — is discovering that…
Tom Chandler(Quote)
I was at the same retail show when “the bomb” was dropped. Funny thing, a year before that show SIMMS introduced their “new” vibram sole (to replace aqua-stealth) and within a month of that introduction started “give felt the boot” ads. If the “give felt the boot” cause was worthy enough at one time why is not now! I haven’t heard of new “cure” for invasive, have you?? Funny how corporate strategic planning and marketing go hand in hand.
Thanks for telling it straight Tom.
Ian
Ian(Quote)
The problem with Simms boots at our store was never rubber vs. felt. Korkers, our #1 selling boot, is more comfortable. Comfort has always been the most important criteria when our customers purchase wading boots. Simms are just too narrow for the midwestern foot of fat and wide. Whether it is rubber or felt, most of our customers put screws of some type in the bottom since most of our midwestern waters have a little organic growth on rock surfaces.
Derrick(Quote)
The Korkers I tested were just a hair too small for my feet (they used to run a size small). Makes it hard to compare things like “comfort” (The Korkers were too small, the Orvis too big, the Simms about right, and the Patagonias perfect).
I think rubber soles need screws if you’re wading anything difficult, which sorta negates some of the advantages of rubber (sadly).
One issue with the Simms rubber boots is they charge you extra for the screws — anywhere from just under $20 to $40. That adds a decent percentage to the price of already-expensive boots…
Tom Chandler(Quote)
First year using the Patagonia rubber sole boots. For the places I have been fishing so far this year (Snake River, Upper Green River, Beaverhead, Big Hole, Bitterroot – plus some small streams in same areas) I would stay with this sole compound over felt. Much more confidence on grass, mud (and it’s been a muddy year) snow, pine needles and even certain rocks. Haven’t hit the slime season on these rivers yet, where the rubber will probably lose to the felt, but I am a convert just based on the traction, not to mention the ease of drying.
Taku(Quote)
That’s the good news. The bad news is that sole compound has been replaced with the “Rock Grip” compound, which I don’t like at all.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
I have Simms (felt)and Korkers Chrome (multi-tread) boots. They are both high quality products from my experience. But I think Korker is onto the right path by providing a boot with removable sole treads. You have complete choice (rubber, studded rubber, felt) AND you can purchase extra treads, giving the ability to dry one set (assuming felt) while using another set without the bulk of a separate set of boots. I can’t say I agree that the studded rubber has improved traction over felt, but I have gotten used to them now and they are lighter than water logged felt.
Mark Mills(Quote)
I love my felt sole Simms, which I purchased for half price, because of the new boots which were coming out. Reminds me of the Coke a Cola mistake. Felt rocks.
ricky v(Quote)