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The Underground's Wading Boot Review Begins a New Chapter

By Tom Chandler 7/6/2009 5 minutes

Our ongoing fly fishing wading boot review is about to enter a new chapter - this one written largely in Montana.



The Underground's Director of Wading Safety (me) and a handful of local guides who foolishly picked up the phone when we called, we've tested the Patagonia Riverwalkers and Simms Headwater boots a fair amount, and now we're spliciing a new pair of Korker Guide wading boots (and several pairs of interchangable soles) to the program.

Of course, my original goal wasn't to test the boots themselves as much as the sticky rubber soles - would the latest generation be ready for anything fly fishermen have to throw at them?


The answer - at least as it pertains to the bare rubber soles - is "not quite."

Close, but not quite.

Local guides Wayne Eng and Steve Bertrand liked the new rubber soles in the calmer parts of the Upper Sacramento River, but after a little testing, neither wanted anything to do with the sticky rubber in the McCloud.

I recently
fished the McCloud in Patagonia's Riverwalkers, and those sticky rubber soles did well enough that I survived the experience, but I'd probably screw in some studs if I fished the McCloud all the time.

The thinking on the Simms and Riverwalkers were confirmed by comments from readers, some of whom fish a lot.

Simply put, if you're fishing tough waters (the McCloud is a notoriously difficult river to wade, as is the Pit), adding a few screw-in studs to the new sticky rubber soles is probably necessary, and frankly, that's hardly the end of the world.

After all, what you'd end up with is a boot that grips about as well as felt in the tough stuff, grips better in tricky out-of-the-water situations, yet lasts a zillion times longer. (They also don't transmit invasives quite so readily, though I believe the role of felt soles in that transmission is a little overplayed.)

Our Conclusions About Boots (So Far)
Wading boots, lined and ready for Montana

I'm going to write a big wrap-up article after Montana, but here are my impressions so far.

Simms Headwater Wading Boot
The headwater is a nice, protective boot (hard rubber toe cap is handy), and obviously, lots of folks love the Simms fit.

Still, I'll be honest; I'm a tiny bit less sanguine about the Simm's hard Vibram sole than I am the softer sole of the Patagonia boots, though I reserve the right to change that thinking if the Riverwalkers wear too quickly.

The Simms vibram sole feels hard and stiff, yet gripped beautifully on the
Rogue River's rock-snot, cobble-sized testing grounds (the aggressive tread pattern might have something to do wtih that).


On the bigger,
angular rocks of the McCloud, the Simms rubber soles were less thrilling, though there's ample testimony from readers that a few metal studs (screw 'em in yourself) would largely fix that issue.

I do believe the Simms Vibram soles would last a long, long time.

Patagonia Riverwalkers


I've already
extensively reported on the Riverwalkers, and since that report, I'm happy to say I've reinforced my original thinking.

The Riverwalkers are the best choice for the blueliner; they're extremely comfortable on the trail and the very soft, very sticky rubber works beautifully in the small stream environment.

On a small, bouldered local freestone stream, I could practically walk up the side of dry boulders - a handy feature as fly fishing small freestoners is half rock climbing anyway.

The Riverwalkers are flexible, light, go on easy, and just generally make my feet happy. They hike beautifully.

My brain was less thrilled when I wore them on a recent outing to the McCloud, where I was trying awfully hard to catch a fish for a TV crew (and failing).

The sticky rubber sole worked fairly well, but the failure mode was bad - they gripped the McCloud's very hard-to-wade rocks until they didn't - and the sudden loss of grip was... ahh... unpleasant.

I'll be blunt: the Riverwalker's bare rubber sole worked surprisingly well on the McCloud, but long-dormant survivial instincts would demand I screw in a few studs if I fished the McCloud all the time.

So far, they've been fine for me on the
Upper Sacramento.

The New Kid: Korkers
I only fished in the Korker's boots on a small stream, so I can't really evaluate the effectiveness of their new "Kling-on" rubber sole (which also comes in a studded version).

I owned an early pair of Korkers that offered zero ankle support, but the new boots are supportive and seemingly well-built - and offer you the ability to quickly change soles to fit your fishing environment.

Changing the soles is not a five-second job, so hiking in/changing soles/fishing/changing soles/hiking out is mostly fantasy. In my mind, the real benefit of these boots is their ability to become the shoe you need them to become that day.

This makes them (on the surface anyway) ideal for the traveling angler, who might want a studded felt/rubber sole for most of his trip, but needs a plain felt/rubber sole to wear in a drift boat.

Or maybe you're spending half your trip hiking && bluelining, and the other half wading the really slippery crap.

One pair of Korkers could seemingly handle all those jobs. We'll see how they work in Montana.

Two notes.

First, the Korker's BOA metal lacing system seems more convenient than laces. For example, I could quickly tighten or loosen the boots over the course of the day with a quick turn of the knob.



Durability is a question: break a lace, and you've got all sorts of options, but break the BOA's metal wire or the locking buckle, and you might be screwed.

Second, the Korkers run a teensy bit smaller than the Patagonia and Simms wading boots. I normally wear a size 10 shoe, so a size 11 wading boot is the norm.


I made the size 11 Korkers fit, but had to wear a thin liner sock to do so. If you're a borderline size, order up one size in the Korkers, or simply buy them where you can try them on.

More To Come
See you in Montana, Tom Chandler
Destinations
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Nestled at the convergence point of five valleys, Missoula is a picturesque as it is interesting. Surrounded by towering mountains, three rivers come together here; the Clark Fork, ... moreBlackfoot and Bitterroot. Each river is overflowing with rainbow, brown, cutthroat and bull trout, and the variety of opportunities to fish here are nearly infinite. For those inclined to venture out, it’s even possible to drop an impromptu line from a bridge in the middle of town and expect success with a catch. Other year round outdoor sports include white water river rafting, hiking and competitive marathon running.

What’s most unique about Missoula is that it’s not only beautiful but it appeals to sportsmen and artists alike. In fact, Missoula is a premier choice for fly fishermen with diverse interests such as the visual arts, live theater, cinema, local brewpubs and an active nightlife. Much of this activity is attributed to the presence of the University of Montana, frequently ranked as the most beautiful campus in the US, as well as being recognized for its academic excellence. The city is now host to the Montana Book Festival, the International Wildlife Film Festival and the Montana Museum of Art and Culture.

Whether you are a fly-fisher with a yen for culture or you are a fisherman traveling with people who don’t fish, this is a wise choice for striking a balance between great angling and satisfying entertainment.
Fishing Waters
The Land of the Giants is a short section of the Missouri River between Hauser and Holter lakes in Montana.
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The Jefferson River is an important part of a system of rivers that combine to form the majestic Missouri. Starting at the confluence of the Big Hole and Beaverhead rivers near Twin ... moreBridges, Montana, it winds 77 miles in a northeasterly fashion to Three Forks. Here, it meets with the Madison and Gallatin rivers that together converge into the Missouri River at the Missouri Headwaters State Park. Like so many other rivers in Montana, the Jefferson, named by Clark in honor of the U.S. President, runs deep with history. In fact, the Jefferson River is a segment of the larger Lewis and Clark National Historic Trail, administered by our National Park Service.

When thinking about the Jefferson, a Class 1 river for recreational enjoyment, most observers view the river in three distinct sections. Characterized by slow, meandering flows, the upper third works its way through a broad, arid valley. Along this braided, 44 mile long floodplain, you will encounter working farms, dense cottonwood stands, flowered meadows and a variety of wildlife until you reach the town of Cardwell. Throughout the next 15 miles, its waters flow through a narrow, steep canyon where the water can be deep, slow and contained. As a result, the stretch from Cardwell to the Sappington Bridge has comparatively fewer trees, swamps, meadows and wildlife.

At Sappington Bridge the river once again becomes a circuitous, rambling river, rich in swamp life, colorful fields, large cottonwood groves and productive agricultural land. The presence of significant agriculture has resulted in competition for water use. During dry years, the river was tapped generously for irrigation, dropping water levels to the point where fish populations were adversely affected. Recent improvement in riparian management has tended to alleviate these issues. Primarily known as a brown trout river, rainbows, mountain whitefish, burbot and northern pike can also be found here. Less well known and less discovered, the Jefferson offers the opportunity to catch large fish in a scenic, un-crowded environment.
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The Madison River is arguably one of the best trout fishing rivers in all of southwest Montana, if not the entire world! It’s certainly the most talked over, written up and frequented ... morein the state of Montana – which is considered by some the capital of fly fishing. Anglers will find plenty of great access sites to wade or float along the Madison’s banks and reservoirs (including Hebgen Lake and Ennis Lake). Rainbows, browns, cutthroats, and more abound in this majestic fishing stream.

The Madison begins its course almost twenty miles into Yellowstone National Park. Within the Park, fishing rules apply: no live bait and catch and release only. Once outside the Park the river meanders past working ranches, stately conifer forests and cottonwood lined banks, interrupted by riffles and quiet runs that contain large rainbow and trophy brown trout. Flowing alongside Yellowstone’s West entrance road, the river enters Hebgen Lake, created by Hebgen dam, until it reaches Quake Lake, a bit downstream from the dam. At this point the river is commonly called either the Upper Madison or the Lower Madison, although in fact, they are one and the same.

Upper Madison – Quake Lake to Ennis Lake
Directly below Quake Lake the river roars into 5 long miles of Class V whitewater with steep gradients and large boulders along the way. As the rapids decline, the magic begins. For the next 53 miles, often referred to as the 50 Mile Riffle, the cold river runs north and the fish jump high. Annual runs of spawning trout make their way from Hebgen Lake, rainbows in the spring and browns in the fall. Known the world over for its “hard fighting” trout, it’s not unusual to pull a 25” brown from these upper waters. In deference to the purists and fly-fishing enthusiasts, it’s wading only from Quake Lake to Lyons Bridge. Boats may be used to access the river, but if you’re going to fish, your feet must be on the riverbed. Fortunately, the Hebgen Dam releases water throughout the year, leveling its flows and relieving it of spring runoff issues and summer shrinkage.

Lower Madison – Ennis Lakes to Three Forks
A short section of the river between Ennis Dam and the power station maintains relatively low water levels and provides wonderful opportunities for wading. Past the power station the river regains its muscle and for 7 miles winds through Bear Trap Canyon. Hiking trails offer the only entry, great for those that like to walk and seek the solitude of a designated wilderness area. Floating is permitted but requires a lengthy shuttle and the ability to work through Class III-IV whitewater. Once out of the canyon the river flows in shallow riffles until it reaches Three Forks and joins the Missouri. From Warm Springs to Greycliff, the river is easily accessible for drifters and wading.
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Note: The order or location may change based on where the best spots are at the time.
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Experienced anglers will apprediate The “Mighty Missouri.” Well develped skills of stealth and accurate casts are required to catch the large, cautious rainbows and browns. Wade fishing ... moreis great on the Missouri, with abundant hatches of BWOs, Caddis, PMDs, Tricos match-the-hatch dry-flies that compete with thousands of the real bugs, and a drag free drift are required to catch the huge, wary and finicky Rainbows and Browns rising to Caddis, BWO’s, PMD’s, Trico’s and more. The Missouri river can be one of the finest in Montana for experienced wade fishermen. But float trips can also be good when there are no fish rising. 

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Formed in Twin Bridges, Montana by the confluence of the Big Hole, Beaverhead, and Ruby Rivers, the Jefferson flows northbound over eighty miles to the confluence of the Madison and ... moreGallatin Rivers to form the Missouri. Receiving less pressure than any of the others, this is one of those fisheries that you have to see to believe.

What the Jefferson offers:

80 miles of floatable water, with good wading opportunities

Early stonefly hatches

Great streamer fishing

Unparallelled wildlife and scenery

Larger than average trout

Low angler pressure

Did we mention BIG brown trout?
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Tom Chandler

As the author of the decade leading fly fishing blog Trout Underground, Tom believes that fishing is not about measuring the experience but instead of about having fun. As a staunch environmentalist, he brings to the Yobi Community thought leadership on environmental and access issues facing us today.

39 comments
Sorry, never heard of those. As for the durability of new boots, I'd suggest a different criteria -- fit. Ultra long-wearing boots might simply prolong the misery if they fit you poorly. I'd try on some of the brands you mentioned and buy the ones that fit the best. Life's too short to spend it with aching feet.
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I notice one boot that isn't here is a manufacturer(?) called BITE. I bought a pair of their boots a number of years ago at a store that has since gone out of business. The season after I bought the boots the top strap eye broke. The response I got from the Canadian rep was "I don't sell enough of these to honour the warranty". Now I have lost some studs on the boots and they have a different size ... more than everyone else. Any idea where I can get in touch with the US company? I will have to buy a new pair of boots if I can't find them. Orvis, Korkers, Simms or Patagonia? I do a lot of wading when fishing. What will last the longest?
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I gather that's a "no" vote. Thanks for the feedback. The Whitehorse boots are far newer than those covered in this review (I believe even the sole retention system has changed). I have to admit I liked the BOA system -- I could loosen and tighten it easily during the day.
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Got a pair of Korker Whitehorse w/Boa laces. Only fished one afternoon with them maybe 3 hours. The left boot was built Wonky and the Boa laces needed to be retightened half a dozen times. I could hardly put pressure on my left foot by the end of the outing. They sent me a new pair and I just received them. So I grab the ones I used off the porch to send them back and guess what. They are filled with ... more river sand! I actually had a conversation with the Korker rep about this drainage system. He assured me he had no complaints as the water and sand would have to wind around through the channels to get in the boots. (Yes, all the way around 2 inches) This is a dealbreaker to me. Sand grinding on $700. wader feet is not going to be desirable. Like the idea of the interchangeable soles though. Too bad they go back!
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Think Simms, Orvis and Cabelas both offer pretty big boots.
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i am a guide on the texas gulf coast and i'm looking for good boots but i need a large size and can't seem to find any 14's or 15's in anyones boots can you give me directions on where i may find these larger sizes? also do you know if that Boa systems on some of these boots would be saltwater resistant. any help i would appreciate. thanks.
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Good to see the thread is still alive and people reporting their experience with boots and soles over time. So here is my input on Korkers Metalhead that I’ve been using for 2 seasons now mostly with studded rubber soles on. My first pair of soles wore off after some 30 days fishing. Some studs got ripped of both soles (5 of one and 6 of the other sole) plus rubber started to crack at the heel and ... more detached of the hard plastic sole in the area near the tailing strap. I was provided with a brand new replacement rubber studded soles by Korkers with compliments and I was informed that my boots were one of the first pairs released which suffered from those kind of sole problems. Replacement soles have been working fine since then (over a year now) and they still look solid. Just last week one of the gravel guard D-rings got torn off while wading and well they have been too short so no surprise. I cannot confirm on metal lace biting into the tongue of the boots – no problem with that so far. One thing that really is a problem and I’ve heard other people experience it as well is wading in deep mud or sand. The soles get literally sucked by the mud/sand and you have to put them on again - at least they hold by the heel strap so you don’t have to recover them from the mud. In general the boots have been doing fine so far and they are still in very good shape after some 100 days on the water (I’m not walking a lot outside the water though but rivers are wade are quite rough with bottom made of rocks, boulders and pebble). And finally the BOA – totally love it! For me BOA is the main advantage of Korkers and reason why I use these boots for most of my fishing. I’m glad Simms is moving into BOA first with their Rivertek and now with new 2014 G4 boots. All the best, Janusz
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What boot would you recommend for wading the Klamath below happy camp? Sometimes I'm climbing over a lot of large dry boulders and sometimes in water a lot of mossy rocks. Would appreciate any help. Thank you!
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How long did they last?
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Called Korkers today to discuss the total destruction of my pair of Korkers Redsides...https://plus.google.com/photos/116339786619554073665/albums/5869831599818224545granted - their Redsides are not "guide grade" boots...and I fish nearly 100 days / year and my home waters are the Deschutes River - which runs through volcanic bedrock - so the environment is pretty tough. I'm not sure I'd buy another ... more pair of Korkers purely for durability factor.
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Hi RWS, Yes I do use these boots along with a pair of Korkers size 15 and Guideline Alta boots. Simms Freestone are not the lightest in weight but they are specious and comfortable. I use size 16 for deeper winter wading while I need to put on two pairs of socks or and extra neoprene socks. When you wade deep the water pressure contracts a boot a bit and then one size up is a blessing. I found Korkers ... more size 15 almost equally comfortable for summer low water wading. If you like Simms Freestone just make sure you get the latest model with extra rubber protectors around the toes - this prevents the boot noses to wear off too quickly. Below you have a link to comparison of the three boots. Sorry it's only available in Polish but you can contact me on priv and I'll provide you with all the information you need. Simms proved to perform best. They were most comfortable and equipped with star cleats provided the best grip. http://fly-fishing.pl/index.php/odzie-i-obuwie/buty-i-wodery/74-porownanie-butow-do-brodzenia
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Janusz, I wear a size 16 and have been curious about the vibram sole on the Simms freestone. I'm tired of my feet aching after a day of fishing in my size 15's. Have you tried these boots and if so, how well do they perform.
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Janusz Panicz: How about now Tom – still think I'm the big foot ;-) This changes nothing. You're still the living manifestation of Sasquatch himself.
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Hi Mark, You can take your chance with Cabela's UltraLigh Wading Boots . There are available up to size 15 but trust me their size 15 is even bigger than Simms size 16. PS. How about now Tom - still think I'm the big foot ;-) mark phillips: I am a keen fly fisher & I am unable to find size 17 wading boots. Can you be of any assistance, yours thankfully Mark Phillips.
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mark phillips: I am a keen fly fisher & I am unable to find size 17 wading boots. Can you be of any assistance, yours thankfully Mark Phillips. Holy crap. And sadly, no, I can't be of any help. Call Simms and Orvis, and see what they can do, but I have this feeling you'll be buying outdoor boots and modifying them for wading boot use (adding studs to rubber soles?). Good luck.
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I am a keen fly fisher & I am unable to find size 17 wading boots. Can you be of any assistance, yours thankfully Mark Phillips.
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I think my boots are around a year and a half old. I probably fish, on average, about two days a week; sometimes more, sometimes less. I had a similar problem with the Mk1 Korkers but I figured that was because they were the cheaper entry-level Wetlands boots. Regarding the kinds of rivers I fish, I wouldn't describe them as particularly difficult to wade - mostly shingle or rocks, I've not found ... more the studded rubber any less sure-footed thean felt (either with or without studs).
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Thanks for the update. How old are the Korkers? The company seems pretty responsive to their customers. Could you clarify where the studded rubber's working for you - what kind of river/stream bottom? Thanks.
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Just an update on my Korkers Streamborns; the studded kling-on soles are working out ok but just last week I noticed that the rubber molded base of one boot seems to be coming away from the uppers in the instep area. I'm hoping to glue it back on once the boot is completely dry, I'll need to clean the accumulated mud and grit out and I'm reluctant to pull the base of the boot off completely before ... more I stick it all back together so that might prove a difficult task. I'll need to find a suitable adhesive, I think the formula of Barge Cement has changed and a quick google tells me that it may not be as effective as it once was.
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Excellent. Best of all, you can take sole credit among your fellow bigfoot types for moving Simms with your plight. It's almost certainly not the truth, but this is fly fishing, and truth should never be allowed to get in the way of a good story.
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Good news (mostly for me). Simms have just made new Freestone with Vibram soles available in sizes up to 16 !!!
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I've used the Korkers boots with the BOA lacing system for two seasons now and have had 0 failures. It's super handy to be able to reach down and tighten up my boots. I understand that BOA also backs up the product with a lifetime warranty. I carry an extra set of laces with me just in case, but I've taken some nasty spills and they're still going strong. I still think nothing grips better than felt, ... more but the Kling-On rubber by Korkers does seem to grip better than my Vibram boots on slippery rocks. I'm a total convert to the Korkers.
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Hate to say it, but it's time to take a tour of all the wading boot Web sites, sending emails where you can. And maybe it's time to get those 16 felts too. Also, have you considered alternatives to two pairs of thick socks? I own several pair of Polarstretch socks that are *very* warm (considering their lack of bulk), and I have heard of others successfully using thing neoprene inside their waders. ... more Finally, bootfoot waders are way warmer than stockingfoot, and while they used to kinda suck, there are some cool new versions out that more approximate the support of stockingfoots, but much warmer. Just a thought.
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Thanks Tom, Bigfoot you say ;-) I use regular US size 14 but for winter fishing with 2 pairs of socks and additional neoprene socks size 16 is the only way. In my e-mail to Simms I in fact did ask particularly about availability of vibram soles in size 16 and whether there were any plans to have them in "bigger" sizes. The straight on answer form Simms was they didn't have and didn't plan to have ... more any model with vibram soles in sizes above 14 at that time. Tom Chandler: The obvious joke about the Underground discovering Bigfoot aside, did the Simms service rep offer any answers about a size 16 Vibram boot? If Simms is sourcing the soles from an outside vendor, it's entirely possible Vibram isn't producing them larger than 15. I'd ask a lot of questions (of a lot of manufacturers – I understand Orvis is revamping their wading boot line, maybe a 16 will appear there). Good luck.
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Janusz Panicz: I've recently contacted Simms' to ask about they strategy concerning big sizes and the nice lady who replied sounded like surprised with my question. So anyone could advise on this? Do I have to hurry and get a pair of Freestone size 16 Felt Sole before they are sold out or there is no need to worry? The obvious joke about the Underground discovering Bigfoot aside, did the Simms service ... more rep offer any answers about a size 16 Vibram boot? If Simms is sourcing the soles from an outside vendor, it's entirely possible Vibram isn't producing them larger than 15. I'd ask a lot of questions (of a lot of manufacturers - I understand Orvis is revamping their wading boot line, maybe a 16 will appear there). Good luck.
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Apart from durability issue that you focus on my problem is with wading boots' sizes. I've used Simms Freestone Boots Studded Felt Soles size 16 and they seemed to be the only size 16 boots on the market. Now with introduction of vibram soles Simms does not longer have any model with up to 16 size to offer. I've recently contacted Simms' to ask about they strategy concerning big sizes and the nice ... more lady who replied sounded like surprised with my question. So anyone could advise on this? Do I have to hurry and get a pair of Freestone size 16 Felt Sole before they are sold out or there is no need to worry? Thanks, Janusz
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Tom Chandler: Consider trying a pair of the studded rubber soles, and let us know what you think. S'Funny you should suggest that. I have just ordered a pair of replacement studded, errm, Kling-On soles. I will let you know how they go and how they last. FWIW I had the studded Aquastealth soles on my old style Korkers and the soles outlasted the boots.
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Tony Jones: the one issue I've always had with felt soled boots is the simple fact that the felt ends up coming off at the most inopportune moments. My original interest in rubber soled boots had to do with longevity - not the invasives issue that's seemingly driving their marketing. Felt (and especially studded felt) is great when it's new, but hike along the Upper Sac's railroad tracks for a while ... more (with its sharp-edged, rocky beds) and pretty soon, your felt soles have receded faster than Telly Savalas' hairline. What's left are metal studs, which are perfectly capable of skating you down a smooth rock to your doom. I can't speak to your particular failures with the Korker's soles, but yes, I do think rubber soles should delaminate far less readily than the porous surface of felt soles. Consider trying a pair of the studded rubber soles, and let us know what you think. Also, Korkers' customer service seems pretty good, so consider sending those failed-too-soon studded felts in for evaluation - and perhaps a warranty replacement.
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Good to see the input from Korkers. I'm someone that probably does more than their fair share of walking in wading boots and the one issue I've always had with felt soled boots is the simple fact that the felt ends up coming off at the most inopportune moments. With this in mind I bought Korkers boots so at least if I do have a sole delaminate on me then I can replace them easily. I've got the Streamborns ... more which are are a good sturdy conventionally-laced alternative to the BOA equipped Guide boots. I'm fairly happy with these boots (I've had them a couple of years now and they seem durable enough) however I do have a real issue with the felt coming off the soles. It happened to me again yesterday on a pair of studded felt soles that I've only had on the boot for twenty or so trips. Ok, it's not as big a problem as with conventional boots but, even so, with replacement soles at $30 a pop (and more here in the UK) it's still an expensive failure. Will the way the rubber is bonded onto the soles provide longer life than with felt?
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Urbanflyfisher: Tom – there is a problem with the Korkers boots which a lot of guys over here worry about with good reason – eventually, after some use the wire starts to cut into the tongue of the boot – I know guys that have had to patch the damaged areas to stop the wire cutting into the wader sock. Considering they are sold as “walking” as well as wading boots I worry that anyone hiking into ... more some fishing wearing them might just cause the extra damage to occur sooner. What with the wire laces, the messing around with soles there just seems far too much that can go wrong with them – keep it simple I reckon is the way to go!Saying that – I am looking forward to hearing what you have to say about them!Alistair Alistair, We made a running change about 2.5 years ago after the original shipment of Guide Boots did show some excessive wear from the wire lace. Both the Guide Boot and the Predator Boot now have leather/synthetic leather eyestay guards that protect from the lace from wearing in that area. We have received nothing but very positive feedback on the reliability on the BOA system and the parts are all interchangeable and can be easily fixed if broken. BOA also offers a 2 year warranty on the part. -Brian Chaney, Korkers
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Thanks for the updates! One of the problems with a test like this is the length of time needed to expose durability issues (or the lack of them), which is why it's so useful when the Undergrounders weigh in. I'm now wearing different wading boots on each foot in an attempt to get a sense of the sole grip, and I am coming to some conclusions about sticky rubber - and the differences between the brands. ... more The Korker rubber needs more testing, but I also believe we're going to wrap up this stage of the testing and move into a phase where we screw some studs into these things (or install the studded rubber sole in the case of the Korkers) and see how they hold up. The BOA system on the Korkers is either going to be a really good innovation or a problem. I think the interchangeable soles are going to be a plus in the long run for the shoe, though again, I don't believe that using a hard rubber sole is much of a solution for invasives (you gotta wash the whole boot and the waders too). In the case of the Korkers, the interface between the soles and the boot would seem to offer a rich environment for invasives, and I think cleaning (and drying) remains the only real answer - no matter what you're wearing. More as it happens.
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Good to see you added Korkers this go around.... my boot of choice ; ) I thought the scramble to find rubber really put an interesting twist on things. Vibram is way too hard IMHO and performance takes a dive in cold water as the rubber becomes hard as plastic. The King-on rubber so far has been better than expected. The BOA system is interesting.. as Andy said, Boa in the snow world is a sure way ... more to have a bad day, as they constantly break. I'd never purchase BOA for my snowboarding boots so I was extremely skeptical about this. So far I have been pleasantly surprised. I do have a spare wire so I'm not worried when traveling deep into the backcountry [main form of my fishing]. Keep up the good work. Reviews such as this keep the industry on their toes, and that is a good thing. BG
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Tom - there is a problem with the Korkers boots which a lot of guys over here worry about with good reason - eventually, after some use the wire starts to cut into the tongue of the boot - I know guys that have had to patch the damaged areas to stop the wire cutting into the wader sock. Considering they are sold as "walking" as well as wading boots I worry that anyone hiking into some fishing wearing ... more them might just cause the extra damage to occur sooner. What with the wire laces, the messing around with soles there just seems far too much that can go wrong with them - keep it simple I reckon is the way to go! Saying that - I am looking forward to hearing what you have to say about them! Alistair
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sam: Simms are sturdy and comfortable and great for winters on the Missouri. The Korkers BOA system is handy, has never failed on me, and I've never had any trouble swapping out or having the soles come loose…it sure is nice not having your laces come untied and being able to tighten/loosen your boots when your hands are molded frozen to your double hand in winter….def. right that the Korkers ... more run one size too small. Thanks for the additional information. Not everyone's quite so excited by the BOA stuff: andy marx: Never tried the BOA on Korkers but your comments on the failure issues are right on: I've been let down by the BOA system on both my snowboard and wakeboard boots, you're basically done when they break and they broke one too many times. I've been looking at the BOA system, and really like the quick adjustability (wet, frozen laces are a pain - and I wonder if carrying a spare shoelace wouldn't get you back in the game in event of a failure (though it's one more thing to carry). Maybe, maybe not. You'd think a fairly low-impact activity like wading would reduce the potential for "smacking" the BOA buckle, but Andy's point is well taken. Shoelaces have gotten us this far...
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Never tried the BOA on Korkers but your comments on the failure issues are right on: I've been let down by the BOA system on both my snowboard and wakeboard boots, you're basically done when they break and they broke one too many times. One good wack on the knob is all it takes. No more BOA's for me.
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I sell both the Simms and Korkers and own a pair of both...I'm in Montana but get the chance to fish in quite a few places with them. I just thought this article was pretty right on from my experience as well. I would say that at least here in Montana, the Simms sole seems to be very effective and feedback in the shop has been very well accepted (so far). I think both companies make a well built boot. ... more Simms are sturdy and comfortable and great for winters on the Missouri. The Korkers BOA system is handy, has never failed on me, and I've never had any trouble swapping out or having the soles come loose...it sure is nice not having your laces come untied and being able to tighten/loosen your boots when your hands are molded frozen to your double hand in winter....def. right that the Korkers run one size too small.
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