The Underground’s Wading Boot Review Begins a New Chapter

by Tom Chandler on July 6, 2009 · 27 comments

Our ongoing fly fishing wading boot review is about to enter a new chapter – this one written largely in Montana.

The Simms boots were nice, all-around boots (stonefly not included)

The Underground’s Director of Wading Safety (me) and a handful of local guides who foolishly picked up the phone when we called, we’ve tested the Patagonia Riverwalkers and Simms Headwater boots a fair amount, and now we’re spliciing a new pair of Korker Guide wading boots (and several pairs of interchangable soles) to the program.

Of course, my original goal wasn’t to test the boots themselves as much as the sticky rubber soles – would the latest generation be ready for anything fly fishermen have to throw at them?

The answer – at least as it pertains to the bare rubber soles – is “not quite.”

Close, but not quite.

Local guides Wayne Eng and Steve Bertrand liked the new rubber soles in the calmer parts of the Upper Sacramento River, but after a little testing, neither wanted anything to do with the sticky rubber in the McCloud.

I recently fished the McCloud in Patagonia’s Riverwalkers, and those sticky rubber soles did well enough that I survived the experience, but I’d probably screw in some studs if I fished the McCloud all the time.

The thinking on the Simms and Riverwalkers were confirmed by comments from readers, some of whom fish a lot.

Simply put, if you’re fishing tough waters (the McCloud is a notoriously difficult river to wade, as is the Pit), adding a few screw-in studs to the new sticky rubber soles is probably necessary, and frankly, that’s hardly the end of the world.

After all, what you’d end up with is a boot that grips about as well as felt in the tough stuff, grips better in tricky out-of-the-water situations, yet lasts a zillion times longer. (They also don’t transmit invasives quite so readily, though I believe the role of felt soles in that transmission is a little overplayed.)

Our Conclusions About Boots (So Far)

Wading boots, lined and ready for Montana

The Simms Headwaters, Korker Guides & Patagonia Riverwalkers, ready for Montana.

I’m going to write a big wrap-up article after Montana, but here are my impressions so far.

Simms Headwater Wading Boot

The headwater is a nice, protective boot (hard rubber toe cap is handy), and obviously, lots of folks love the Simms fit.

Still, I’ll be honest; I’m a tiny bit less sanguine about the Simm’s hard Vibram sole than I am the softer sole of the Patagonia boots, though I reserve the right to change that thinking if the Riverwalkers wear too quickly.

The Simms vibram sole feels hard and stiff, yet gripped beautifully on the Rogue River’s rock-snot, cobble-sized testing grounds (the aggressive tread pattern might have something to do wtih that).

On the bigger, angular rocks of the McCloud, the Simms rubber soles were less thrilling, though there’s ample testimony from readers that a few metal studs (screw ‘em in yourself) would largely fix that issue.

I do believe the Simms Vibram soles would last a long, long time.

Patagonia Riverwalkers

I’ve already extensively reported on the Riverwalkers, and since that report, I’m happy to say I’ve reinforced my original thinking.

The Riverwalkers are the best choice for the blueliner; they’re extremely comfortable on the trail and the very soft, very sticky rubber works beautifully in the small stream environment.

On a small, bouldered local freestone stream, I could practically walk up the side of dry boulders – a handy feature as fly fishing small freestoners is half rock climbing anyway.

The Riverwalkers are flexible, light, go on easy, and just generally make my feet happy. They hike beautifully.

My brain was less thrilled when I wore them on a recent outing to the McCloud, where I was trying awfully hard to catch a fish for a TV crew (and failing).

The sticky rubber sole worked fairly well, but the failure mode was bad – they gripped the McCloud’s very hard-to-wade rocks until they didn’t – and the sudden loss of grip was… ahh… unpleasant.

I’ll be blunt: the Riverwalker’s bare rubber sole worked surprisingly well on the McCloud, but long-dormant survivial instincts would demand I screw in a few studs if I fished the McCloud all the time.

So far, they’ve been fine for me on the Upper Sacramento.

The New Kid: Korkers

I only fished in the Korker’s boots on a small stream, so I can’t really evaluate the effectiveness of their new “Kling-on” rubber sole (which also comes in a studded version).

I owned an early pair of Korkers that offered zero ankle support, but the new boots are supportive and seemingly well-built – and offer you the ability to quickly change soles to fit your fishing environment.

Changing the soles is not a five-second job, so hiking in/changing soles/fishing/changing soles/hiking out is mostly fantasy. In my mind, the real benefit of these boots is their ability to become the shoe you need them to become that day.

This makes them (on the surface anyway) ideal for the traveling angler, who might want a studded felt/rubber sole for most of his trip, but needs a plain felt/rubber sole to wear in a drift boat.

Or maybe you’re spending half your trip hiking & bluelining, and the other half wading the really slippery crap.

One pair of Korkers could seemingly handle all those jobs. We’ll see how they work in Montana.

Two notes.

First, the Korker’s BOA metal lacing system seems more convenient than laces. For example, I could quickly tighten or loosen the boots over the course of the day with a quick turn of the knob.

Durability is a question: break a lace, and you’ve got all sorts of options, but break the BOA’s metal wire or the locking buckle, and you might be screwed.

Second, the Korkers run a teensy bit smaller than the Patagonia and Simms wading boots. I normally wear a size 10 shoe, so a size 11 wading boot is the norm.

I made the size 11 Korkers fit, but had to wear a thin liner sock to do so. If you’re a borderline size, order up one size in the Korkers, or simply buy them where you can try them on.

More To Come

See you in Montana, Tom Chandler

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1 sam July 6, 2009 at 2:49 pm

I sell both the Simms and Korkers and own a pair of both…I’m in Montana but get the chance to fish in quite a few places with them. I just thought this article was pretty right on from my experience as well. I would say that at least here in Montana, the Simms sole seems to be very effective and feedback in the shop has been very well accepted (so far). I think both companies make a well built boot. Simms are sturdy and comfortable and great for winters on the Missouri. The Korkers BOA system is handy, has never failed on me, and I’ve never had any trouble swapping out or having the soles come loose…it sure is nice not having your laces come untied and being able to tighten/loosen your boots when your hands are molded frozen to your double hand in winter….def. right that the Korkers run one size too small.  (Quote)

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2 andy marx July 6, 2009 at 3:02 pm

Never tried the BOA on Korkers but your comments on the failure issues are right on: I’ve been let down by the BOA system on both my snowboard and wakeboard boots, you’re basically done when they break and they broke one too many times. One good wack on the knob is all it takes. No more BOA’s for me.  (Quote)

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3 Tom Chandler July 7, 2009 at 1:37 pm

sam: Simms are sturdy and comfortable and great for winters on the Missouri. The Korkers BOA system is handy, has never failed on me, and I’ve never had any trouble swapping out or having the soles come loose…it sure is nice not having your laces come untied and being able to tighten/loosen your boots when your hands are molded frozen to your double hand in winter….def. right that the Korkers run one size too small.

Thanks for the additional information. Not everyone’s quite so excited by the BOA stuff:

andy marx: Never tried the BOA on Korkers but your comments on the failure issues are right on: I’ve been let down by the BOA system on both my snowboard and wakeboard boots, you’re basically done when they break and they broke one too many times.

I’ve been looking at the BOA system, and really like the quick adjustability (wet, frozen laces are a pain – and I wonder if carrying a spare shoelace wouldn’t get you back in the game in event of a failure (though it’s one more thing to carry).

Maybe, maybe not.

You’d think a fairly low-impact activity like wading would reduce the potential for “smacking” the BOA buckle, but Andy’s point is well taken. Shoelaces have gotten us this far…  (Quote)

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4 Urbanflyfisher July 8, 2009 at 10:38 pm

Tom – there is a problem with the Korkers boots which a lot of guys over here worry about with good reason – eventually, after some use the wire starts to cut into the tongue of the boot – I know guys that have had to patch the damaged areas to stop the wire cutting into the wader sock. Considering they are sold as “walking” as well as wading boots I worry that anyone hiking into some fishing wearing them might just cause the extra damage to occur sooner.

What with the wire laces, the messing around with soles there just seems far too much that can go wrong with them – keep it simple I reckon is the way to go!

Saying that – I am looking forward to hearing what you have to say about them!

Alistair  (Quote)

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5 BG July 9, 2009 at 7:28 am

Good to see you added Korkers this go around…. my boot of choice ; )

I thought the scramble to find rubber really put an interesting twist on things. Vibram is way too hard IMHO and performance takes a dive in cold water as the rubber becomes hard as plastic. The King-on rubber so far has been better than expected.

The BOA system is interesting.. as Andy said, Boa in the snow world is a sure way to have a bad day, as they constantly break. I’d never purchase BOA for my snowboarding boots so I was extremely skeptical about this. So far I have been pleasantly surprised. I do have a spare wire so I’m not worried when traveling deep into the backcountry [main form of my fishing].

Keep up the good work. Reviews such as this keep the industry on their toes, and that is a good thing.

BG  (Quote)

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6 Tom Chandler July 9, 2009 at 8:47 am

Thanks for the updates! One of the problems with a test like this is the length of time needed to expose durability issues (or the lack of them), which is why it’s so useful when the Undergrounders weigh in.

I’m now wearing different wading boots on each foot in an attempt to get a sense of the sole grip, and I am coming to some conclusions about sticky rubber – and the differences between the brands.

The Korker rubber needs more testing, but I also believe we’re going to wrap up this stage of the testing and move into a phase where we screw some studs into these things (or install the studded rubber sole in the case of the Korkers) and see how they hold up.

The BOA system on the Korkers is either going to be a really good innovation or a problem.

I think the interchangeable soles are going to be a plus in the long run for the shoe, though again, I don’t believe that using a hard rubber sole is much of a solution for invasives (you gotta wash the whole boot and the waders too). In the case of the Korkers, the interface between the soles and the boot would seem to offer a rich environment for invasives, and I think cleaning (and drying) remains the only real answer – no matter what you’re wearing.

More as it happens.  (Quote)

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7 Brian August 3, 2009 at 4:05 pm

Urbanflyfisher: Tom – there is a problem with the Korkers boots which a lot of guys over here worry about with good reason – eventually, after some use the wire starts to cut into the tongue of the boot – I know guys that have had to patch the damaged areas to stop the wire cutting into the wader sock. Considering they are sold as “walking” as well as wading boots I worry that anyone hiking into some fishing wearing them might just cause the extra damage to occur sooner. What with the wire laces, the messing around with soles there just seems far too much that can go wrong with them – keep it simple I reckon is the way to go!Saying that – I am looking forward to hearing what you have to say about them!Alistair

Alistair,

We made a running change about 2.5 years ago after the original shipment of Guide Boots did show some excessive wear from the wire lace. Both the Guide Boot and the Predator Boot now have leather/synthetic leather eyestay guards that protect from the lace from wearing in that area. We have received nothing but very positive feedback on the reliability on the BOA system and the parts are all interchangeable and can be easily fixed if broken. BOA also offers a 2 year warranty on the part.

-Brian Chaney, Korkers  (Quote)

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8 Tony Jones August 30, 2009 at 6:28 am

Good to see the input from Korkers.

I’m someone that probably does more than their fair share of walking in wading boots and the one issue I’ve always had with felt soled boots is the simple fact that the felt ends up coming off at the most inopportune moments. With this in mind I bought Korkers boots so at least if I do have a sole delaminate on me then I can replace them easily. I’ve got the Streamborns which are are a good sturdy conventionally-laced alternative to the BOA equipped Guide boots. I’m fairly happy with these boots (I’ve had them a couple of years now and they seem durable enough) however I do have a real issue with the felt coming off the soles. It happened to me again yesterday on a pair of studded felt soles that I’ve only had on the boot for twenty or so trips. Ok, it’s not as big a problem as with conventional boots but, even so, with replacement soles at $30 a pop (and more here in the UK) it’s still an expensive failure. Will the way the rubber is bonded onto the soles provide longer life than with felt?  (Quote)

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9 Tom Chandler August 31, 2009 at 10:57 am

Tony Jones: the one issue I’ve always had with felt soled boots is the simple fact that the felt ends up coming off at the most inopportune moments.

My original interest in rubber soled boots had to do with longevity – not the invasives issue that’s seemingly driving their marketing.

Felt (and especially studded felt) is great when it’s new, but hike along the Upper Sac’s railroad tracks for a while (with its sharp-edged, rocky beds) and pretty soon, your felt soles have receded faster than Telly Savalas’ hairline.

What’s left are metal studs, which are perfectly capable of skating you down a smooth rock to your doom.

I can’t speak to your particular failures with the Korker’s soles, but yes, I do think rubber soles should delaminate far less readily than the porous surface of felt soles.

Consider trying a pair of the studded rubber soles, and let us know what you think.

Also, Korkers’ customer service seems pretty good, so consider sending those failed-too-soon studded felts in for evaluation – and perhaps a warranty replacement.  (Quote)

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10 Tony Jones August 31, 2009 at 4:25 pm

Tom Chandler:

Consider trying a pair of the studded rubber soles, and let us know what you think.

S’Funny you should suggest that. I have just ordered a pair of replacement studded, errm, Kling-On soles. I will let you know how they go and how they last.

FWIW I had the studded Aquastealth soles on my old style Korkers and the soles outlasted the boots.  (Quote)

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11 Janusz Panicz November 12, 2009 at 2:10 pm

Apart from durability issue that you focus on my problem is with wading boots’ sizes. I’ve used Simms Freestone Boots Studded Felt Soles size 16 and they seemed to be the only size 16 boots on the market. Now with introduction of vibram soles Simms does not longer have any model with up to 16 size to offer.

I’ve recently contacted Simms’ to ask about they strategy concerning big sizes and the nice lady who replied sounded like surprised with my question. So anyone could advise on this? Do I have to hurry and get a pair of Freestone size 16 Felt Sole before they are sold out or there is no need to worry?

Thanks,
Janusz  (Quote)

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12 Tom Chandler November 12, 2009 at 2:31 pm

Janusz Panicz: I’ve recently contacted Simms’ to ask about they strategy concerning big sizes and the nice lady who replied sounded like surprised with my question. So anyone could advise on this? Do I have to hurry and get a pair of Freestone size 16 Felt Sole before they are sold out or there is no need to worry?

The obvious joke about the Underground discovering Bigfoot aside, did the Simms service rep offer any answers about a size 16 Vibram boot? If Simms is sourcing the soles from an outside vendor, it’s entirely possible Vibram isn’t producing them larger than 15.

I’d ask a lot of questions (of a lot of manufacturers – I understand Orvis is revamping their wading boot line, maybe a 16 will appear there). Good luck.  (Quote)

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13 Janusz Panicz November 12, 2009 at 3:00 pm

Thanks Tom,

Bigfoot you say ;-) I use regular US size 14 but for winter fishing with 2 pairs of socks and additional neoprene socks size 16 is the only way.

In my e-mail to Simms I in fact did ask particularly about availability of vibram soles in size 16 and whether there were any plans to have them in “bigger” sizes. The straight on answer form Simms was they didn’t have and didn’t plan to have any model with vibram soles in sizes above 14 at that time.

Tom Chandler:
The obvious joke about the Underground discovering Bigfoot aside, did the Simms service rep offer any answers about a size 16 Vibram boot? If Simms is sourcing the soles from an outside vendor, it’s entirely possible Vibram isn’t producing them larger than 15.
I’d ask a lot of questions (of a lot of manufacturers – I understand Orvis is revamping their wading boot line, maybe a 16 will appear there). Good luck.

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14 Tom Chandler November 12, 2009 at 3:10 pm

Hate to say it, but it’s time to take a tour of all the wading boot Web sites, sending emails where you can. And maybe it’s time to get those 16 felts too.

Also, have you considered alternatives to two pairs of thick socks? I own several pair of Polarstretch socks that are *very* warm (considering their lack of bulk), and I have heard of others successfully using thing neoprene inside their waders.

Finally, bootfoot waders are way warmer than stockingfoot, and while they used to kinda suck, there are some cool new versions out that more approximate the support of stockingfoots, but much warmer. Just a thought.  (Quote)

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15 Janusz Panicz November 29, 2009 at 12:24 pm

Good news (mostly for me). Simms have just made new Freestone with Vibram soles available in sizes up to 16 !!!  (Quote)

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16 Tom Chandler November 29, 2009 at 1:18 pm

Excellent. Best of all, you can take sole credit among your fellow bigfoot types for moving Simms with your plight.

It’s almost certainly not the truth, but this is fly fishing, and truth should never be allowed to get in the way of a good story.  (Quote)

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17 Joe H November 18, 2009 at 3:28 pm

I’ve used the Korkers boots with the BOA lacing system for two seasons now and have had 0 failures. It’s super handy to be able to reach down and tighten up my boots. I understand that BOA also backs up the product with a lifetime warranty. I carry an extra set of laces with me just in case, but I’ve taken some nasty spills and they’re still going strong. I still think nothing grips better than felt, but the Kling-On rubber by Korkers does seem to grip better than my Vibram boots on slippery rocks. I’m a total convert to the Korkers.  (Quote)

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18 Tony Jones December 2, 2009 at 6:47 am

Just an update on my Korkers Streamborns; the studded kling-on soles are working out ok but just last week I noticed that the rubber molded base of one boot seems to be coming away from the uppers in the instep area. I’m hoping to glue it back on once the boot is completely dry, I’ll need to clean the accumulated mud and grit out and I’m reluctant to pull the base of the boot off completely before I stick it all back together so that might prove a difficult task. I’ll need to find a suitable adhesive, I think the formula of Barge Cement has changed and a quick google tells me that it may not be as effective as it once was.  (Quote)

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19 Tom Chandler December 2, 2009 at 10:22 am

Thanks for the update. How old are the Korkers? The company seems pretty responsive to their customers.

Could you clarify where the studded rubber’s working for you – what kind of river/stream bottom?

Thanks.  (Quote)

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20 Tony Jones December 2, 2009 at 12:14 pm

I think my boots are around a year and a half old. I probably fish, on average, about two days a week; sometimes more, sometimes less. I had a similar problem with the Mk1 Korkers but I figured that was because they were the cheaper entry-level Wetlands boots.

Regarding the kinds of rivers I fish, I wouldn’t describe them as particularly difficult to wade – mostly shingle or rocks, I’ve not found the studded rubber any less sure-footed thean felt (either with or without studs).  (Quote)

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21 mark phillips January 15, 2010 at 12:07 pm

I am a keen fly fisher & I am unable to find size 17 wading boots. Can you be of any assistance, yours thankfully Mark Phillips.  (Quote)

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22 Tom Chandler January 15, 2010 at 12:27 pm

mark phillips: I am a keen fly fisher & I am unable to find size 17 wading boots. Can you be of any assistance, yours thankfully Mark Phillips.  

Holy crap. And sadly, no, I can’t be of any help. Call Simms and Orvis, and see what they can do, but I have this feeling you’ll be buying outdoor boots and modifying them for wading boot use (adding studs to rubber soles?).

Good luck.  (Quote)

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23 Janusz Panicz January 15, 2010 at 12:34 pm

Hi Mark,

You can take your chance with Cabela’s UltraLigh Wading Boots . There are available up to size 15 but trust me their size 15 is even bigger than Simms size 16.

PS.
How about now Tom – still think I’m the big foot ;-)

mark phillips: I am a keen fly fisher & I am unable to find size 17 wading boots. Can you be of any assistance, yours thankfully Mark Phillips.  

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24 Tom Chandler January 15, 2010 at 2:10 pm

Janusz Panicz: How about now Tom – still think I’m the big foot ;-)

This changes nothing. You’re still the living manifestation of Sasquatch himself.  (Quote)

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