The Underground Picks The Dozen Best Fly Rods of All Time (Period)

by Tom Chandler on February 10, 2009 · 70 comments

Nothing fires a discussion among fly fishing’s faithful more than the subject of fly rods. They are, after all, the most significant tools of the trade, and what’s more, fly fishermen love to argue.

The right fly rod feels like an extension of your arm; flies appear precisely where you’re looking (as if by magic), and landing trout is a pleasure.

Naturally, one man’s great fly rod is another’s pool cue or noodle, and yes, it’s just barely possible that my own personal bias has entered into the construction of this list, though just in case there are some questions about sanity choices, I wanted to lay out my criteria.

The Dozen best fly rods of all time? We pick, you argue.

The Dozen Best Fly Rods of All Time? We pick, you argue.

The Underground’s Scientifically Derived Criteria

First, no current rods are included. History may decide the Orvis Helios or Winston Boron or Sage Z-Axis might be the most bizarrely named best fly rods ever, but I’m leaving those discussions to history. New rods are just that (new) – and they simply haven’t been around long enough to make the list.

Additionally, short production runs don’t really count. I truly believe the very best bamboo fly rods ever made are being built right now (by names like Ream, Brandin, Thramer, Johnson, Karstetter, Wojnicki, Raine, etc), but let’s face it – the combined lifetime output of those builders equals about one month’s production of Helios fly rods, and while I love my built-by-still-living-guys bamboo fly rods, they’ll never be cast by enough people to truly matter.

Similarly, no boutique rods really made the list – even though I could make a very cogent argument for the inclusion of a Steffen Brothers or McFarland glass rod or the little-known-but-much-lamented East Branch “classic” graphite. There simply aren’t enough floating around the fly fishing universe.

Then there’s the question of history; many will argue that today’s rods – the result of all sorts of materials and taper improvements – are the defacto “best” rods. Instead, I’m picking history’s best fly rods; the rods that set the pace in their era.

And finally, there’s the little issue of what “best” really means, and because I play with words for a living, I’m willing to suggest “best” is simply a reflection of criteria.

One rod may be lightest, another may cast beautifully, and another may be cheap. Which is the best?

Well, that’s why you’ve got the Underground. (We Report, We Decide.)

Of course, it’s possible the assembled Undergrounders have different ideas, and if you can write a solid-but-snarky justification (see below), I may create a followup “Underground Reader’s Choice” post (and who doesn’t want to be famous)? Naturally, saltwater and spey (two-hander) fly rods are wholly underrepresented in this list (with one exception), and I want to say right now that I’ve managed to avoid the slightest twinge of guilt about that.

The Dozen Best Fly Rods of All Time

Leonard Model 50(DF)
Sure, no two Leonards seem to cast anything alike and the craftsmanship varied widely over the decades (hell, it varied widely over the course of hours), but as Uber Rod Geek Rich Margiotta pointed out, the Leonard Model 50 set the early standard for light-tipped, Catskill-style dry fly rods – a remarkably enduring style of taper that’s still happily consumed by the masses today. And hey – you gotta start somewhere.

The Paul Young Perfectionist (7.5′ 4/5wt)
In truth, almost any of the Paul Young semi-parabolic rods could qualify for the Desirable Dozen; I picked the Perfectionist because I own the taper. The Para-15 is probably more famous and the better all-around rod, but the point here is that Paul Young created a more fishable version of the somewhat touchy full-parabolic tapers loved by Charles Ritz. A marketing whiz and astute businessman, Young also found a way to convert cosmetically challenged cane into a useful stuff via his “ring of fire” flaming process, and the Underground hates waste, so we find ourselves here. It’s perfection on a stick.

The Payne 100 (7.5′ 4wt)
It’s widely accepted that Payne consistently produced the best, long-lasting, most-consistent bamboo fly rods, and that even in the era of supercomputers, nanotechnology and widely available pizza, the Payne 100 taper simply can’t be improved. Over the course of decades, Payne bamboo fly rods have captured the hearts of fly fishermen for their castability, gorgeous finish, and elegant durability, and while the Payne 100 is a great example, it’s only one in a long of great examples of Payne workmanship. This is one time Payne is gain.

The Fenwick 7.5′ 5wt Feralite Fiberglass Fly Rod
In truth, the 8.5′ 6/7wt Fenwick glass rods were more popular, but everyone who’s been in fly fishing since the 70s has probably owned one of these chocolate brown beauties – wonderful fiberglass fly rods that brought a smooth-actioned, lightweight (for the time), glass-ferruled, great-fishing fly rod within reach of almost everyone. That the classic glass Fenwicks are experiencing something of a renaissance – along with an uptick in value – is hardly a surprise. Though heavy by the standards of today’s weight geeks, they’re still smooth fishing rods. What can brown do for you?

The 8.5′ 5wt IM6 Winston Fly rod
A classic that’s still available for sale (albeit at an amazingly inflated price), the IM6 Winston fly rods are testament to Tom Morgan’s influence on their design; light tipped and very smooth, they are superb all-around trout rods, and what’s more, they’re just plain fun to cast. And you don’t have to be a Winston partisan to believe the 8.5′ 5wt might be the “troutiest” rod in existence. Taken as a whole, the Winston IM6 fly rods may have logged more water time than any other fly rod on the market, and rightly so. Summary? The IM6 is still IMpressive.

The Loomis IMX 9′ 4wt
I’ll just say it: I’ve never cast a Loomis fly rod I particularly liked, but in an astonishing display of editorial integrity, I’m going to list a Loomis IMX, which is the rod line that – for better or worse – helped fuel the fly rod industry’s arms  race. I’m not at all sure the truth path to fly rod salvation lies in high tech, but I do know it’s a marketable differentiator, and that “new” continues to be the mechanism by which fly rods are made “obsolete” in the market’s eyes – and therefore ripe for replacement. As rods got faster, lighter line weights became commonplace, and with the rise of indicator nymphing, longer, lighter rods became popular. Hence the IMX 9′ 4wt – a rod I wouldn’t own, but a classic I must acknowledge.

Sage LL 389 (8′9″ 3wt)
Edging out Sage’s 490 LL, the 389 might have been one of the best spring creek/light fly fishing rods of all time, so naturally, Sage – marching to the tune of “more technology is better” – just had to discontinue it. Incredibly smooth, suggestively limber and an amazing fishing tool, the 389 remains one of the few rods that everyone from the bamboo fiends to the techno-rod-geeks can comfortably rave about. Inside dish from more than one industry source suggests Sage’s new line of “progressive” fly rods were designed to cast and fish like the much-missed Lightline rods, a bit of circular manufacturing that should amuse you, assuming you’re not paying today’s higher prices for “yesterday’s” action.

The Scott Heliply 8′8″ 8wt Saltwater Fly Rod
Sure, I’m totally winging it here; I know saltwater fly rods like Nestle knows ethical business practices. Still, I have it on very good authority the Heliply was one of those rods that was oddly discontinued, then forcibly brought back through the efforts of masses of keening saltwater fly fishers. In an era when “saltwater fly rod” was fast becoming code for “enjoy your tennis elbow,” the Heliply 8wt was a breath of surprisingly bendable fresh air – the reason the Heliply still enjoys a cult following.

Any Reasonably Tapered 8.5′-9′ 6wt
Sure, I’m cheating with this one, but that’s what writers do when they’re trying to make a point. The 6wt rod used to occupy trout fishing’s comfortable middle ground – the rod you’d toss in the truck when you weren’t absolutely sure what you’d be doing all day. Today, a 6wt is a borderline saltwater stick, and if you’re fishing a 6wt on the river and run into one of the “I fish a 2wt for everything” crowd, you’ll be viewed as something of a terrorist.

Funny thing is, the laws of physics have yet to be revoked by fly rod manufacturers (they seem to have successfully escaped the laws of economics), and a reasonably tapered 6wt will do everything from to throwing streamers and busy dries to fishing #22 midges with a reasonable amount of delicacy. I was tempted to award this slot to the “original” IM6 Winston 6wt or the Payne Canadian Canoe 6/7wt bamboo fly rod, but Ian Rutter pointed out the original G-series Scott was better than both, and I’ve learned not to disagree with people who let me stay at their house. Your choice.

The Eagle Claw Trailmaster 7.5′ Pack Rod
Just when you think we’re going to zig, we zag. The Trailmaster? A cheap pack rod that was also available as a spin/fly combo? That’s the one. Yeah, I know it’s clubby and awful, but it’s been available for pretty much forever, it was very affordable, and it probably introduced more conventional tackle fishermen to fly fishing than any other fly rod (remember, “best” is in the eyes of the beholder).

Today it’s available in a 98% graphite fly rod only version that looks pretty conventional, but for most of its life, it was a cheerful, happy yellow that belied the suffering that lay ahead for those attempting to learn fly fishing on their own. A great fly rod? Maybe only the way we define it (so sue me).

The Diamondglass 8.5′ 4wt Fiberglass rod
Sure, like a genius artist, the rod was largely underappreciated until it died (in the production sense), but we’re already seeing a healthy aftermarket in used models, and yes, the Underground has standing orders from two fly rod aficionados should I decide to sell my spare blank. Unbelievably smooth – and perhaps the best “technical” small fly rod in existence – this beauty may have been pure Plain Jane in appearance and construction, but the heart and soul of a rod lies in its taper, and this one has a halo and wings.

The 8′ 4wt Tom Morgan Favorite/8′ 4wt Scott G-Series
Another dual winner, this is an homage to the 8′ 4wt trout rod – perhaps the ideal rod for small to medium sized trout fishing. The Tom Morgan Favorite (that’s still available today from Winston as the “TMF”) is perhaps too soft for the current market, but it’s still a fine rod – as is the 8′ 4wt Scott original G-Series rod (since “updated” into a “crisper” fly rod with the G2 series [e.g. - even Scott rod enthusiasts are addicted to speed]).

The Almostas: The Rods That Didn’t Quite Make It

The runners-up list that didn’t quite qualify for the Dirty Dozen, but demanded a mention anyway. Most of these are simply historic rods; others were great, but didn’t quite make the list.

The Phillipson 8.5′ 5/6wt bamboo fly rods
I didn’t want to overload the list with bamboo, but let’s face it: Tommy likes the 8.5′ Phillipsons. I’ve cast the other heavy-hitter 8.5′ bamboo fly rod tapers, and none – not even the Payne 204 – measures up.

The Shakespeare Howald Process fiberglass fly rods
Pioneers in the hollow fly rod world, the Shakespeare Howalds were not pretty, not light, and not particularly durable (they had a tendency to saw themselves to pieces through extended use), but they were among the first good fiberglass rods to appear. We remember them thusly.

Phillipson Epoxite Registered Midge (6′6″ 4wt)
OK, this really only made the list because I badly want one (I just can’t afford to buy the few that are available). Still, it’s a defensible choice from a development standpoint; Bill Phillipson worked closely with 3M on several innovations, and pioneered the technique whereby synthetic rods are formed (on the mandrel) under high pressures, eliminating weakening voids in the blank. Thus, the Epoxite midge – in addition to its twin tips, gorgeous appearance, and homage to the ultra-short “midge rod” craze – also represents a technological highpoint in glass rod manufacturing, and the (sadly) near-final chapter in the Phillipson Rod Company saga. (Gifts of Epoxite Midges accepted by the Underground, and I’ll even let you name the replacement rod for the list.)

The San Francisco-era fiberglass Winstons
Just because, damnit.

Fenwick HMG Graphite fly rods
Those new to fly fishing are often surprised to hear that Fenwick was a leader before they faded into what amounts to cheap rod obscurity. Their classic glass rods made the “Dozen Best” list, and these HMG graphites were among the first affordable graphite fly rods. Frankly, I still find their willowy actions enchanting, but after their initial burst of popularity, they faded from the market (like the company). Too bad.

The Chico-era Powell Light Touch
Before the Powell family fragemented the name – and Charles Schwabb burned his fingers trying to resurrect it – the smooth-casting Powell Light Touch fly rods were wonderful fly rods that just missed the fashion tastes of the post-movie fly fishing generation. Too bad.

I was tempted to erect a Hall of Shame for the wholly mediocre, wildly overhyped rods that bedevil us (and yes, I’m talking to you, Sage RPL+ parking lot rods), but perhaps I’ll leave that to my readers.

Have at it, Undergrounders. Make your case for the “Next Dozen Best Fly Rods Every Built” in the comments, and we’ll see about a Part II.

See you at the rod rack, Tom Chandler.

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1 Michael February 10, 2009 at 6:46 pm

Thankfully, I own one of the rods that made the list – Sage 389-3 LL.

A must add, and one I believe could easily be a top ten – the Loomis GLX 12wt, model FR10812-3. It’s nine feet of raw casting power that is still gracefully smooth and controllable. San fighting grip, it has enough guts to take on silver kings and bull dorado, but is lighter than many 10 weights, making it a dream for midday work on spanish mackerel, jacks, and roosters using intermediate tapers.

Back by popular demand, G. Loomis has some classics on the racks – sadly the 12wt isn’t one of them. The only drawback of this rod is the intermittent fragility, although I’ve been told directly that the owner didn’t fight the fish right, and that’s why the rod exploded.  (Quote)

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2 Jim Ferguson February 11, 2009 at 12:03 am

Ain’t it great? There’s no right or wrong answers here. Only what works for you. Clearly slower action rods work for you along with the romance of bamboo.

I applaud the almost -inclusion of the older Winston fiberglass. I have an early 7′ 6″ Fisher/Winston blank that was wrapped much later (1997) at Winston. It is my favorite small stream rod, even over a couple of other nice SF-era fiberglass rods. It just feels right.

I had a Phillipson 8.5′ Dry Fly Special and never really connected with it, so someone else is using and enjoying it (hopefully). I wouldn’t have included it, but then there is no right or wrong answer.

My go-to rods made the list; the Scott G-series. My favorite is the G905-4 (9′ 5wt 4pc). It seems to work well in so many trout situations and you can take it almost anywhere, for me, it’s much like the way you described the generic 6 weights. I’ve also used a G958-4 (9/6″ 8wt) on the N. Umpqua for trout when there weren’t any steelhead around. It wasn’t all that bad.  (Quote)

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3 David Roberts February 11, 2009 at 5:26 am

My 2 cents,
As for modern builders, all that you had on you list are fantastic, but I would put Bruce Howell in there, with well over 30 years of building, he has worked out the rough spots in a lot of bamboo tapers. Also Mike Clark has been building as long. Sure most of us didn’t know about him until “Trout Bum” came out, (and shot up the price of them) That is not saying that they are not worth it. He was building long before JG came on the seen. For the Tupperware class, Russ Peak should be at the top of the list.
Like I said just my 2 cents
David  (Quote)

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4 AC February 11, 2009 at 7:19 am

I would have included the Scott G series rods, just my 2 cents. I really like that Diamondglass 4 wgt, one of these days…Nice list.  (Quote)

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5 Nathan Kennedy February 11, 2009 at 7:43 am

I knew you’d toss in the Phillipson 8.5′. I have one, too, and even when I’m not fishing it, it’s the one I want to be fishing. I own no better rod for dries or wet flies, and the type of stream doesn’t matter. I like it equally well on a big, windy western river or a small, intimate stream in the Smokies.

Another of my rods fits neatly into your generic 6 wt category. It’s a 9′ Scientific Anglers rod with a sweet medium-fast action. The second fly rod I ever owned. Not much to look at but a real workhorse. I use it for everything from dry flies for trout to bluegill poppers to weighted nymph rigs to bass bugs. Take care,

Nathan  (Quote)

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6 BigCliff February 11, 2009 at 7:54 am

The 8wt HeliPly was actually a bit of a dud- a tailing loop machine. I still fish the 9wt and its lovely. Has balls, grace, and goes from 15′ to 70′ REAL quick.

And yes the 490 LL is a gem. The VPS Light version works quite nicely as well.  (Quote)

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7 bill February 11, 2009 at 8:40 am

great list Tom

Those pre Schwab powell light touch’s are great graphite rods and one of the few I’ve held onto after turning to bamboo. I’d add Eastbranch GT ( Hal bacon inspired graphite tapers). An upstate NY rod company out of business for some time but especially responsive rods similar to the Scott G series.

I know shorter rods don’t come into play much out your way but any list has to have a Young Driggs and I’ll throw in a Summers 856 for good measure.

I’ve owned a couple of 389’s and an IM6 winston as I wandered toward bamboo and they are all fine rods. You have a good eye Tom ;-)  (Quote)

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8 Mike Spies February 11, 2009 at 9:11 am

Tom – why jump on the SF made Winston glass rods.?

Because I couldn’t afford bamboo rods, I bought a bunch of glass rods from Doug Merrick in the seventies and they were ALL good. The best was a 7-1/2 or 8 foot (I forget which it was) 5 weight. Awesome rod… these rods were light, employed spigot type internal ferrules, they cast really well. Oh yeah, they were brown.  (Quote)

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9 Tom Chandler February 11, 2009 at 10:20 am

@Michael: A 12wt? Please, we’re talking fly rods here, not lethal weapons.

@Jim: The romance of bamboo doesn’t really apply; the only really good fly rods you could buy were made of bamboo for a long, long time – making them the “best” available in that historical setting. And the Phillipson “Dry Fly Special” is not the same as the 8.5′ I mentioned – it’s a wind rod, but too stiff and wouldn’t ever make the list. Try the “normal” version, and be prepared to be wowed.

@AC The venerable (and now gone) G series got two mentions, which ain’t bad.

@Nathan The 6wt category is due for a revival, but I suspect it will never happen.

@Big You’re in the minority about the Heliply, but we’re not banning you from the site just yet.

@bill The Eastbranch rods did get a mention in the boutique category, but there aren’t enough floating around to really qualify for the Dirty Dozen.

@Mike Uhh, Jump on Winston glass? They got “almosta” status – that’s better than a sharp stick in the eye, yes? I was given an 8.5′ 3wt Winston glass by a friend, and you’ve gotta love the things.  (Quote)

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10 castingoutloud February 11, 2009 at 11:24 am

No Lamiglas?

Fenwick HMG Graphite fly rods
I have lived and fished East and West coast Fenwick was the bomb in the 70’s and early 80’s
Then they went all Korea on us and there was a huge backlash (pun intended)
I don’t undersand TFO and Loop dont learn from this or they just don’t care.

also an old Shakespearean silver blank with black foam grip like casting al dente spaghetti pure gold.  (Quote)

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11 hdw February 11, 2009 at 11:44 am

The Sage LL 490 actually edged out the LL 389, you should correct that typo.  (Quote)

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12 Sully February 11, 2009 at 1:52 pm

Fun list and not nearly as wrong-headed as one would have expected.

Props for including the Eagle Claw Trailmaster. I remember performing casting first aid on the street in Boulder after painfully watching a guy trying to cast his jointed yellow stick. What was unfolding was a ghastly parody of one of those syncopated gymnastic twirling ribbon routines. Don’t pretend you haven’t seen them.

Once I showed him that he didn’t have to thread the (fat level) line through the hook keeper things improved somewhat.  (Quote)

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13 frogmorton February 11, 2009 at 2:41 pm

No Steffen glass? (insert raspberry here)!!!  (Quote)

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14 Kentucky Jim February 11, 2009 at 3:27 pm

The Tuperware class? Don’t really get the reference, but I believe Cary Burkheimer has taken over all of Peak’s tapers. I had the opportunity to cast one of Burkheimer’s 5 wt. rods several months ago…very, very sweet; perhaps one of the nicest rods I’ve ever cast. It may be the next rod I buy. I own an Orvis 7.5 ‘ 5 wt bamboo, and it’s my go-to rod on the Kern, but I’m not real exclusive about it. The rest of my rods are graphite, ranging in price from $75.00 to $675.00. Of course, I don’t distinguish between graphite, glass or bamboo. I guess that’s because I’m a neanderthal…or a member of the Tuperware class.  (Quote)

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15 Bubba Zinetti February 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm

I love my 9′, 6wt. I wanted to say that. Thanx for including that class of rods. It will throw bass plugs all day and still present a trico in the evening. It is a great rod for big rivers. Like you said, if you aren’t sure of what you need it is a good go to choice.

It is also practically useless on some of the rivers I fish, and not so great on small streams.  (Quote)

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16 Matt February 11, 2009 at 5:23 pm

Thanks for the good info. This will keep me from having to do all the research.  (Quote)

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17 DSflyman February 11, 2009 at 7:22 pm

Great info. Maybe this week I’ll win the lottery.  (Quote)

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18 Jim Ferguson February 11, 2009 at 8:54 pm

@ Kentucky Jim: “I had the opportunity to cast one of Burkheimer’s 5 wt. rods several months ago…very, very sweet; perhaps one of the nicest rods I’ve ever cast.”

I had a beautiful Burkheimer rod built from a 8′ 5wt Peak blank. It was one of the finest casting rods I’ve ever had, irrespective of the material, but it had that peculiar Peak grip that flares ferociously at the top of the grip and is a little on the short side. I fished it once but my hand was just too big for the grip. It was too nice to tear up just to get the blank, so it joined that group of , “Why, I had one of those,” rods.  (Quote)

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19 greg hall February 11, 2009 at 10:35 pm

Well I won’t contest anyone’s choice but here are a few of my favorites.
Sage 389
Sage 490
Winston 8′ 6″ 4 wt. An early “cup logo” IM6 – cuts both the Sages hands down, IMO.
Scott SF era G series 9′ 4 wt. Very sweet and I wish I had one.
Fenwick Boron 9′ 5 wt. Smooth and light. I want it back, dammit.
Fenwick Glass 8′ 5 wt. An uncommon 3 piece I deeply regret selling.
Phillipson 8′ 5 wt. Bamboo – The working man’s 50DF.
Scott SF era G series 9′ 7 wt. but really a great 6 weight.
Loomis GLX 9′ 6 wt. – A great, great casting rod that I just could not love.  (Quote)

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20 Windknot February 12, 2009 at 1:06 am

Tupperware=graphite.
Dave is a “little biased” when it comes to grass rods, but he’s one of the “fishiest” persons I’ve ever meet.  (Quote)

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21 Beaverkill February 12, 2009 at 6:19 am

We can go on and on about rods left off the list so I will throw one more out there…J.Kennedy Fisher produced some of the sweetest graphite rods…I still use a late 80’s vintage 9ft 4wt…it is my go to rod for medium size streams…  (Quote)

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22 Jason February 12, 2009 at 7:59 pm

What’s the reationale decision wise to believe that the 389 LL is superior to the 490 LL? I own both but was curious as to why this decision was made. I love both rods but would argue the 490 is a tad – and I really mean a tad – more versatile. I don’t believe an extra 3″ of length is going to hurt anyone and it’s a bit more versatile. In any event, both are nice soft rods and are a pleasure to throw. My 490 is my preferred rod on the Fall River – if I ever broke it I’m sure I’d break down in tears.

Nice list-  (Quote)

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23 Jason February 12, 2009 at 8:06 pm

I hate typos; the above comment should read “rationale” and I used versatile more than once – my sentence structure stinks.

Anyone out there find pleasure in the Sage SP? Also, saltwater wise, I am a big proponent of the Thomas & Thomas Horizon series (late 90’s) – especially as an 8 weight. Great rod!!!!  (Quote)

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24 Andre Althoff December 9, 2009 at 3:28 am

Hi Jason,

I like the Thomas & Thomas rods too.

Which rods do you have?

I have a LPS 563 and a HII 907S-4

Andre  (Quote)

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25 Heddon17 February 13, 2009 at 7:37 am

I own one of the almosta rods (Phillipson 8′6″ 5/6 wt) and used to own a Powell Light Touch 9′ 5wt. Used to own a Winston IM6 8′6″ 5wt too.

Those Powell Light Touch rods were great fly rods that unfortunately fell victim to the infighting that doomed the company.

Agree with Greg on the Winston IM6 8′6″ 4wt. I regret selling mine and wish I had it back.

Here are a few other bamboo rods that I’d put on the list……..

8′6″ 3/2 2F Heddon from the neo classic era. The heddons from the 39-48 period have actions that are very smooth and give Phillipsons a real run for their money.

Granger 8642. Surprised no one has mentioned this one yet.

South Bend 290. I’ve never owned or even cast one of these rods but a lot of folks really rave about them and they’re always mentioned as being a very good starter rod for someone just getting into bamboo.

The shorter H-I rods. Their top longer rod models (Registered, Vernley, Canada Creek and Cunningham) were pretty good rods but there was a big drop off after that and most of their low end longer rod models were real clubs and better suited for staking tomatos.

That said, their shorter rod models (Tonka Queen and King, Prince and Princess) are actually very good rods and have a very loyal following. I own an H-I Princess and it’s one rod I won’t sell. It’s a shame that H-I didn’t put more effort into most of their longer rod models.  (Quote)

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26 Amy February 13, 2009 at 11:32 am

Ok. I confess. I’m not much of a gearhead. So, I have to say that the best fly rod has got to be the one that you catch your first fish on.  (Quote)

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27 Tom Chandler February 13, 2009 at 1:37 pm

@Jason: Rationale?? On the Trout Underground? Be serious. As for the Sage SP, I owned the 9′ 5wt for a time, and found it to be a medium-tapered rod that was too stiff (instead of all Sage’s fast-tapered rods that were too stiff).

@Heddon: I consider the 8.5′ Phillipson to be the true “third generation” Granger, and while the Granger’s more popular (it’s certainly prettier), the Phillipson got my vote.

@Amy: Interesting choice – which was that for you?  (Quote)

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28 Trouthunter February 14, 2009 at 3:07 pm

Hell of a list Tom, for sure!
I’ll share mine for your perusal. Here’s 6 that I own, in no particuliar order:

*San Francisco Winston (Fall, 1974) 3 pc – 4 wt- 2 3 /4 oz.-chocolate glass w/’spigot’ ferrules.. finish by Doug Wilson (@Winston). Mint!
*Sage DS 2 590-4-Graphite II, 3 5/16 oz, 4 pc, 5 wt
*GLoomis GL3-9′, 5wt
*Wilderness.. by Ford Scott Rollo, 4 pc-8′3″-5wt
*Fenwick / Woodstream-8′-6wt
*The Diane Powell Rod- 7 1/2′ 3-4-5 wt. V-sweet/Mint!

I fish 4 of these rods several times a week during the winter and daily during stream season. They serve me well and are a credit to their makers.  (Quote)

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29 Heddon17 February 14, 2009 at 5:57 pm

Tom,

Guess we should consider ourselves rather fortunate that Gierach didn’t mention Phillipsons in every 3rd or 4th paragraph in Fishing Bamboo like he did with Grangers. He did mention Phillipsons in that book but only briefly. Same with Heddons…….  (Quote)

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30 Tom Chandler February 14, 2009 at 7:10 pm

@Trout: DS 2, eh? Interesting.

@Heddon: Gierach’s lack of interest in Phillipsons was always puzzling to me, but gratifying when it came to buying the things, which remained a teensy bit less expensive than the Grangers. He did really love the Heddon President, so Heddon didn’t escape unscathed.

I do think he said you shouldn’t buy a Heddon less than a Model 20, but I’d fish a model 14 any day.  (Quote)

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31 Heddon17 February 15, 2009 at 8:25 am

The Heddon #14’s are very good rods. I own a 9′ 2f #14 and a Folsom Arms 8′6″ 2f #1515 (their equivalent of the #14) and like them both a lot. I don’t use the #14 for river fishing much. I really like it for fishing stillwaters though.

There was a big drop off in quality in the heddon rods below the #14 (13, 10 and 8). The hardware on those models was pretty questionable and the reelseat spacers were the cheapest ones they had in stock. Some of them tended to look like something you’d find under the kitchen sink.  (Quote)

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32 Trouthunter February 15, 2009 at 8:42 am

@Trout: DS 2, eh? Interesting.

Exactly Tom.
SAGE DS2
590-4 Graphite II
#5 Line 9′-0″ 3 5/16 oz.  (Quote)

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33 Tom Chandler February 15, 2009 at 8:37 pm

@Heddon: Ever cast a 1 3/4ferrule 8.5′ Heddon? I find the 8.5′ 2F rods a little on the stiff side for my tastes (though I still own one).  (Quote)

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34 Michael February 17, 2009 at 7:48 am

@Jason

I’m certainly not going to make a habit of this, but I’m agreeing with Chandler on the SP. I have a sixer – it’s a funky combination of medium-fast rod with a tip that is just a wee bit too stiff for anything other than heavy fly nymphing. Meanwhile, it lacks the backbone to steer and lift larger fish, particularly in heavier currents and/or in deep stillwater.

Mine now sits somewhere between backup streamer rod and eBay sale item, but I’m loath to the latter since you never know when someone will decide to stick it on their dirty dozen list and it winds up a collectors item.  (Quote)

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35 Tom Chandler February 17, 2009 at 10:24 am

For $20, the 6wt SP could be added to the list. Just saying is all.  (Quote)

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36 bugtussle April 8, 2009 at 5:46 pm

Wow. That you didn’t once mention any of the Orvis Superfines in the 4–6 wt amazes me. What a punk. I’d take my 80’s Orvis 6wt Superfine “Trout” as my go-to rod for any species, on any water, at any time, and the 4wt Superfine is still the best dry-fly rod for everything east of California. Oh yeah, one more thing, large-arbor reels are for tykes. Put that in your purple Patagonia fleecy-whatever-thingy crap that you’re wearing these days. What a pilgrim.  (Quote)

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37 Tom Chandler April 8, 2009 at 9:19 pm

Hey look kids, a troll. But not a good one. Sorry. Try again, only harder.  (Quote)

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38 Walt May 30, 2009 at 7:30 pm

I have a Phillipson RF60C 1 -7/8 OZ. LINE HDH-HDG-#6 . I believe this rod to be one of the best of the lot. It is like brand new with the sock and tube. Although I believe it to be collectible I would like to sell it to someone who would enjoy fishing it.  (Quote)

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39 Tom Chandler May 30, 2009 at 8:54 pm

I don’t know how collectible the Phillipson glass rods truly are (short of the epoxite midges and any of the “registered” models), but at least people are seeing the value in shorter, heavier line-weight fly rods again. Good luck with the sale.  (Quote)

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40 eric July 8, 2009 at 10:56 am

Just a question — I fish with a 3-weight Zero Gravity and a 5-weight GLX, rods that I selected after trying many because they match well with my messed-up casting style (bad shoulder). Do you think I would find something different / interesting in fishing with some of these classics? Are there actual advantages to presentation, distance, etc. or is it more of a nostalgia factor? Thanks.  (Quote)

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41 Bob Akerson July 19, 2009 at 4:29 pm

An interesting list and a fun topic. I find myself in much agreement with most on the list and happen to own several of them. But I question the inclusion of one or two rods which are added not for being good rods but for other reasons which don’t seem to point to the 12 Best Rods category (I wouldn’t consider the Eagle Claw to be one I lust after for instance). Additions? How about an Orvis Battenkill; the Midge model is a personal favorite. And I’d add the Scott 8′4″ 5/5 wt. as a worthy companion to the Winston 8′6″ 5 wt.; maybe it’s an even better rod. So it’s a good list though and I cannot make any accusations of incompetence or communism about the author.  (Quote)

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42 Tom Chandler July 20, 2009 at 8:41 am

I’ve been accused of worse than communism (“rod abuser” was the epithet once hurled at me by a bamboo rod builder). The list represents the “best” fly rods of their eras from a historical perspective, and I should rewrite the lead to make that clearer.

And yes, it’s not exactly wholly serious, though I got pounded a few times by people who were aghast I didn’t include the Sage XP or some other current fly rod in the mix.  (Quote)

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43 John Kary August 20, 2009 at 12:51 pm

Tom, Having worked in a prominent east coast flyshop for the past 20 years I have heard and witnessed a lot of aurgements regaurding your article. I am truly amazed by the fact that people buy rods and spend amazing amounts of money on fishing gear based on recommendations and opinions of other experts and do not cast the rod they are purchasing! I have come to the conclusion that the right rod for the right person should be that the rod is matched to the casting stroke of the person casting it. Bottem Line there truly is no best or worse. there is only the right one for the right person. Sorta like getting married! P.S. I am married to a Sage 480 rp!  (Quote)

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44 Flykuni August 20, 2009 at 2:23 pm

Great list, Tom. I agree with much of your list, and evaluations. The Sage 389 is what it was, a great one. It’s the one Tupperware I’d fish and not be ashamed to be seen with onstream. I appreciate some of the oldies — two SF-era Scotts rest under the sofa, for girls and friends who are careful: the 802, which I put a DT3 on, and an 8′8 in three pcs. Also with a three line. Like the old Winstons they have a tip, and they flex.

Interesting how Fenwick’s HMG and boron rods appeared with a bang and left the scene. I wrapped up a Fenwick boron for a kid, the 8′6 for five. That thing felt like bamboo, it worked deep and powerfully. I was sorry when the kid went in and lost the rod. His mom was glad to get him back. I thought it was a half-win.

I flexed and original Perfectionist this year. I haven’t recovered. I think I may have to get one, tho I’ve told peeps ‘I’m not a parabolic guy.’ The Leonard 50 is properly in the pantheon. My Goodwind Granger occupies that space in my collection; it’s sweet for a medium river with the five line, pvc or silk. But please, only in DT.

The Granger 7′ taper, ah. That’s a rod — like the 389 Sage — that guys on the opposite side of the aisle could like. It’ s a flicky thing, quick on the tip and strong above the grip. Like the SB 390, another fast one, it’s a converso’s rod.

I was happy to see you list the Payne 100. It’s not often mentioned, except by its fans. I’m fortunate to own one, and feel it comes close to what a pre-war rod should be, slim of profile and lithe, soft, a true medium. Gentle. I fish mine with a three line. Out of respect for the veteran.

It’s subjective, we know that.  (Quote)

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45 Flykuni August 20, 2009 at 2:25 pm

Please ignore mispellings as I post secretly while at work……………  (Quote)

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46 rich September 8, 2009 at 4:54 pm

No T&T 804 Special Dry Fly? or Diamondback’s 905 Golden Shadow? I have cast every graphite and glass rod on the list and with the exception of the IM6(I own a pre-IM6 905 that is a darn nice rod), none come close to the aforementioned.  (Quote)

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47 Tim September 18, 2009 at 6:01 pm

Tom,
No T&T’s at all? The 804 Special Dry Fly is a great choice and the T&T Paradigm graphite series are among my favorite. I just picked up a 7′ 5wt McFarland he just did in yellow glass I think that might change your list a bit.  (Quote)

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48 FM November 11, 2009 at 3:32 pm

What a crapload…  (Quote)

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49 Tom Chandler November 11, 2009 at 6:23 pm

FM: What a crapload…

Thanks for that. Insight like that is always welcome here.  (Quote)

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50 Rocco November 21, 2009 at 8:31 am

Someone mentioned the Orvis Superfines and I think the 5 wt. Far and Fine, old-style gray, unsanded blank, tip section longer than the butt, is one of the most enjoyable rods to cast out there and top of the line for Orvis rods. You can fish it all day with no fatigue.  (Quote)

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51 labtrout December 8, 2009 at 7:07 pm

Just tripped into this older thread and thoroughly enjoyed it. I won’t quibble. It’s a great list. My IM6 Winston 8′6″ 5-weight is still my go-to rod after 16 years, although I wish I’d kept my old Powell 8′ -4-weight TR80, which was also an IM6 rod.  (Quote)

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52 Tony Varesio December 9, 2009 at 2:27 pm

I have a Powell rod, 8′6 4-5wt purchased from the shop when it was in Chico, Ca. Serial is A71205, I think the model is SS4865. Any idea what the value would be. Its never been used, has the aluminum case, and cloth bag. Very nice.  (Quote)

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53 Tom Chandler December 9, 2009 at 4:47 pm

I really am no expert on the value of fly rods; my guess is it’s not worth a lot – unless you sell it to someone who desperately wishes they had an older Powell (which could amount to a fair number of people).  (Quote)

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54 Tom Chandler December 9, 2009 at 4:46 pm

The older, lower-modulus rods offer a casting motion that doesn’t seem easily emulated by newer, lighter and stiffer high modulus rods. Are 80 million modulus rods driving a resurgence in fiberglass and bamboo? Could be.  (Quote)

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55 gordon davies December 16, 2009 at 2:40 pm

Interesting to see preferences to certain rods , but all not the same as type & conditions never the same. [ example ]I like a softer rod for small water & a big brawling bugger with balls for big water. As we all know you can never have enough rods to couver all the water we might fish.  (Quote)

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56 Zissou Intern December 30, 2009 at 11:51 pm

Scott G Series 8′4″ 4wt 5 pc. This one will go in the funeral pyre Viking canoe with me!
Scott G Series 9′ 6 wt 4 pc… I never shoulda sold this rod.
Winston LT 8′ 9″ 5 wt 5 pc… I never shoulda sold this rod.
Sage RPL 590-4… The touchstone western river fast 5 wt. How many Colorado boys lined one of these up on a regular basis? Probably saw more stick action than that hot blond waitress from the Chart House in Aspen 25 years ago.  (Quote)

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