“A small and self-serving group with guidance from the BC Ministry of the Environment is trying to drive a wedge in the long, happy and mutually advantageous alliance between the good people of the Skeena Valley and the traveling anglers from around the world who have treasured this resource and taken its side when it has been threatened.”
-Thomas McGuane
Fly Rod & Reel just posted a doozie of a story about the drive to largely eliminate non-resident angler access to some of British Columbia’s best steelhead rivers, and writer Seth Norman asked me to give the problem a little ink. Why?
Non-resident anglers (that’s most of us) are not only being shut out of the fisheries (and the process), but Norman believes there’s an ulterior motive here.
After all, what group benefits when you drive a wedge between wealthy foreign anglers (NRAs for the purposes of this story) and local guides, thereby bankrupting those who have a stake in maintaining healthy fisheries?
Any guesses from the Undergrounders?
Answer: the resource extraction folks (mining and energy companies), who suddenly won’t have foreign fishermen bankrolling fights to protect resources – something that’s happened in BC several times, including a recent victory to keep Shell from developing coal-methane beds.
Whew. Sound a little far fetched? It did to me – until I read Norman’s piece, where he makes a convincing case (if not for conspiracy, then for unmitigated incompetence).
First, here’s the backstory:
Hundreds of Canadian businesses with thousands of employees will be crippled or bankrupt if the British Columbia Ministry of Environment (MoE) passes proposed regulations to limit or ban non-resident steelheaders on the Skeena River and its tributaries: Kispiox, Bulkey, Babine, Morice, Skawala; also the Zymoetz (Copper).
Frightened stakeholders in the area estimate damage to the local economy at between $35 and $50 million per year, and losses to local property values in the hundreds of millions.
“What could be so bad,” you say? Here’s a taste of the restrictions out-of-area anglers will face should they invest thousands traveling to the area (hint: they won’t):
Non-Resident Alien anglers (NRAs) shall be:
- Banned from one or more resident-only waters
- Banned altogether from fishing two “premier,†Class 2 rivers, unless fishing with select BC guides
- Banned from fishing other premier rivers on Saturdays, or both week-end days
- Required, unless fishing with select BC guides, to apply in advance for lottery tickets that would permit winners to purchase licenses for one eight day period, valid on (the only) river they may fish at this time, regardless of conditions
- Banned from fishing property they own on premier rivers unless accompanied by a select BC guide, or in possession of a winning lottery ticket with the eight-day and other restrictions described above
You read it right – even non-resident property owners couldn’t fish the rivers on their property unless accompanied by the “right” BC guide.
These draconian restrictions aren’t designed to protect the fishery or even to milk non-resident anglers to the benefit of the local economy. Instead:
“They will bankrupt us,†declares a Skeena lodge owner, anonymous here for fear of retaliation. “That’s why they kept us off the ‘Working Committees’ that came up with these options using the MoE ‘toolbox.’ That’s why the committees kept everything secret, until somebody leaked the draft just before the end. Nobody will travel thousands of miles and spend thousands of dollars to put up with rules like these…We’ll go bankrupt and the Ministry knows it.â€
At its best, the process behind the development of the rules is corrupt. At its worst, it’s a process designed to deliver a pre-determined outcome – an outcome that Norman believes has more to do with frustrated resource extraction companies than moronic resource management groups.
To whit:
“There is another: that the allies here—NRA steelheaders, and steelhead-dependent Canadian businesses—are not merely victims of a flawed MoE process, but the targets.
The same stakeholders facing devastation actively supported First Nation and Canadian conservationists in a (so far) successful fight against putting fish farms on the Skeena. They fought again, helping conservationists and First Nation protesters stop (so far) Royal Dutch Shell’s coal-bed methane exploration in that river’s Sacred Headwaters.
NRAs contributed—politically and through donations to these, especially to the campaign that stopped Shell in 2006—the year MoE re-opened the dormant AMP process.
The same allies questioned and may oppose construction of a $4.5 billion segment of pipeline through the area, a project of the American giant Enbridge, Inc. In 2006, Enbridge temporarily abandoned this effort. On November 4, 2008, Enbridge set up two new Skeena-area offices.”
When gross incompetence or extractive-industry funded conspiracy are your two best choices, then it’s clear one of the world’s best steelhead fisheries might be circling the bowl.
What to do?
First, read Norman’s story here.
Then, my strategy is simple – contact the players (names & email addresses at end of story), though whatever you do, don’t send abusive emails to anyone. That, my friends – if Seth Norman’s worst fears are true – is precisely what the bad guys want:
“At every turn of this investigation, I found misleading declarations that it was mainly NRAs—by implication, angry, ugly Americans in particular–who object to the changes in regs that will devastate Canadian businesses.”
Instead, make it clear that the financial implications of the proposed rules are significant – that you and your friends would never invest your dollars in the BC economy under those rules, a fact which would likely doom the local steelhead-related outdoor industry to bankruptcy.
Don’t question anyone’s intelligence or their parentage, just firmly ask that they reconsider – and also ask why so many stakeholders were shut out of the rule-making process.
I believe Norman might be writing a “Part II” followup, and we’ll keep an eye on this one for you.
UPDATE: The Way Upstream blog published an excellent post about this in November, and a couple of the comments below the story are excellent.
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I think the US should:
(1) Propose adding a third level of fishing license for each state; a resident license, non-resident us citizen license, and non-citizen license. The non-citizen license should cost $1000 and require a guide to fish and maybe require that all equipment used be made in the US.
(2) If the above proposal does not deter the kanuckleheaded BC proposal, invade.
Grimpus(Quote)
unfortunately once MOE gets started on an agenda, it’s pretty much a done deal. The so called process is a joke. Every MOE process that i have been involved in has turned out to be a farce. The deal is done, the process is just that. Once it’s over,they can say there was a process and the terms of reference were followed. The only way to stop this is political, forget MOE.
Vic Carrao(Quote)
How to explain to someone as arrogant and ignorant as you?
You have no rights here at all and we’re tired of your squawking carping and b*tching about how we run our country.
The fish are ours to do with as we Please-does this make sense?
This is a sovereign country and we’re doing fine. we have lots of oil, lots of natural gas and all kinds of ethnic food-we don’t need or want your business.
Ian Fobbes(Quote)
Grimpus: You’ve got a job waiting for you in the MOE
Vic: Sadly, we’ve seen something similar happen right here in Siskiyou County, where the Board of Supervisors decide on the outcome they want, then streamline the process to make it happen. We defeated them once via political pressure (as you mentioned), though the pressure was more along the lines of “the world’s watching, you dopes.”
Mr. Fobbes: Thanks so much for brightening my evening. You’re either a very, very bad troll, or simply the comic relief I should have ordered, but didn’t.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
One hopes you are being satirical, Mr. Fobbes,
The point of the article (for this government policy at least) is you are NOT running your country, a American and Danish company are.
Gerry(Quote)
Quote: “the world’s watching, you dopes.” Methinks you’re over-spending the comma quota. Again… Teehee!
The rest of it’s no laughing matter, though. I’ve spent time in Canada and learned we’re not really prized up there, even with wads of cash to spend. Not that they don’t take the cash.
I predict we’ll begin to see the extractive industry invasion strengthened in the area Real Soon Now. Anybody know who in the MoE benefits financially from that? Maybe some investigative chains need to be considered. Or maybe it’s as simple as the Illinois governor and his attempt to sell Obama’s Senate seat? Mebbe…
The Chile Doctor(Quote)
I will do my part by writing letters to the above addressees. Yes, it is their country to do with as they please but it pains me to see policies made that will do so much harm especially to those who love the wildlife and land and who try to be good stewards. Those few guides and local businesses which have cooperated and participated in this ruinous process no doubt believe that they will benefit from this. They should understand that they have made their “deal with the devil” and the devil never really shares the spoils with anyone. They are only pawns in the game.
Greg Hall(Quote)
http://www.bulkleysteelheadanglers.com/Site/Crowding.html
interesting. must be the AMP is already working?
Ed(Quote)
Ed: It’s interesting how the “Anglers comments” section contains comment after comment largely disagreeing with the assertions of the report, and I have to wonder – if the angler days have fallen as much as the chart would indicate – why a river with 35% fewer people on it still qualifies as crowded.
My guess? The chart’s a load of rubbish.
Frankly – given how Norman’s original report uncovered one load of manure after another – I believe the crowding issue isn’t really the issue at all.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
No doubt that a prolonged recession is likely to continue the downward trend in angler days.
Now if that’s the only goal of the so called plan then the question may become moot. If however there is another agenda then the watchdogs and the angling public will need keep after ‘em.
Greg Hall(Quote)
I am Canadian, and have guided before here in BC, but this is a little harsh IMHO.
We do have issues up here with many things that are related to the fishing in our province, but to piss on our neighbor for wanting to fish our waters is a little ridiculous. Now, with that being said, there are many places in BC where there are so many “Out of country” fishers that we BC’ers can’t get a decent place to fish on our premier river systems.
Like Vic said, once the MOE has become involved it becomes a bunch of horses**t and the only outcome will be to the ones that line the ministers pockets the most.
This is really sad, there must be other ways to deal with subjects like this, without involving MOE.
Rick Passek(Quote)
Rick: Thanks for your perspective. Assuming crowding is the only real issue here (and like Norman, I don’t believe that’s true), you’re almost certainly right – there are less draconian ways of dealing with the issue than a set of rules which will leave a smoking crater where the tourism industry used to be.
I believe the Big Horn and a few other Western rivers saw limits instituted (both in # of guide boats and non-resident anglers, and I think they offered “locals-only” days) in such a way that locals got something, and the industry survived.
My take – as an inveterate crowd-hating crank – is that I’m happier fishing smaller waters than dealing with even a little crowd on the a more famous river, so a lot of this seems pretty odd to me.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
Thanks for the post and article link. I hadn’t followed up on this since seeing it on BWTF a few weeks ago. The conspiracy theory has merit when you ask, Why would action be taken that would crush a segment of profitable small business owners? Seems like you wouldn’t do it, unless there was something else there that could make a few big business with a lot of money make–and donate–a lot more money. What could that possibly be?
Then disguise it with a healthy dose of nationalism and Anti-Americanism and some “We don’t need you and your money” rhetoric to throw people off the trail…
Please keep connecting the dots.
Pete(Quote)
Pete: Credit goes to Seth Norman and Fly Rod & Reel (who paid Norman to write the thing, then wanted it pushed onto the Internet now instead of waiting for the next issue to appear). Another reason Fly Rod & Reel rocks.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
Tom
If you feel a need to provide a window so participants
can beat the drum at least get a very important
fact straight. The current proposal ‘warts and all’ was never
about protecting the fish. It was about perceived
deterioration of the fishing experience during a very
short window of participation. Mr Forbes may have
raised some eyebrows with his comments but he surely is
no stranger to BC fishing issues and has garnered significant respect
for his views on many fishery problems in BC. He certainly needs
no defending from me. I may suggest that there are many
others suffering in silence who support his views stated above. For my
money Bob Hooten has provided the most analytical insight
to the Skeena issue. I know of one guide who resigned from one
of the committees because of the flawed process.
wtforward(Quote)
If the rules are being put into place to protect the fishery. That’s fine. If Canadiens don’t want me to xcome to their counrty and fish. That’s fine too. I just ask that you be careful with what you choose to do and choose your allies carefully. Natural resource extraction industries will take evevy thing they can get away with, they will ruin your fishreies and leave you holding the bag. I grew up in the anthricite coal mining region of Pennsylvania. Where there were once pristine trout streams there are now acidic bodies of water laced with yellowboy deposits. I’m an aquatic biologist. I’ve seen this happen all over the USA. Be careful. You have a very special fishery and it can easily be ruined.
I’ve only fished in BC once and it wasn’t for steelhead. I fished for trout in stillwaters. Everyone I fished with was Canadien and everyone was great! Love your counrty.
Joe Slusark(Quote)
Our rivers are being attacked on a daily basis, gravel extraction and IPP Power projects being the two most sought after resources on the Fraser. I can’t comment on the Skeena region too much with regards to ipp and gravel as I have only been their a few times but i do know that the European( german) influence is over whelming and there is alot and I mean alot of illegal guiding going on in that region.
A so called group leader of a bunch of potential guests arrive to fish on a guided trip, they fish as many rivers as possible, then the group leader comes back year after year with new groups claiming they are all friends. If you can read German you can find tones of websites advertising vacations in BC fishing our waters on so called unguided fishing trip.
I have been guiding on the Fraser system for 16 years and just in the past 2-4 years we are starting to see this happen hear. Not only Germans/ Europeans but because we are only 10 miles from the US border we are seeing US guides fishing our waters on a daily basis during prime salmon season. The same american jet sled fishing day after day with different so called friends in their boats. Hello, we are not that naive
The old saying “a small few can spoil it for all” could be playing into this idea of restricting access. I know we have issues hear on the Fraser with over crowding during some select salmon seasons and the continued abuse by our US neibours does spur discussions on limiting access to non-resident anglers.
Vic Carrao(Quote)
Undergrounders,
The letters from Grimpus and Ian Fobbes reflect profound concerns I had while composing the FR&R article Tom frames quite well. Each writer echoes attitudes I encountered during 40 hours of interviews with Canadians and Americans.
“Raw†is the word that sometimes occurred to me. Raw, and conflicted. Forgive generalizations, but…
People in BC have serious reasons for a generalized anti American animus. Issues stewing for decades boiled over in the last eight years; they ain’t cooled yet. Americans rarely know much about these conflicts—softwood tariffs that crippled economies, salmon allotments, border issues around drugs, guns and security. But Americans will recognize what is a common BC theme:
“Don’t Tread on Me.”
As much as that attitude’s justified… it also leads to offense taken where none was intended.
In turn, American’s threatened by the proposed regulations are outraged—desperate, if they own property—and bewildered. Not only do they revere these rivers, they value relationships often developed over decades. They spent money, sure, and a few act entitled because of that; but far, far more truly believe they’ve been part a great shared tradition. They feel betrayed. Tread upon, if you like.
That’s not what happened. Think. Canadians dependent on steelhead fishers’ business are far more threatened than anybody else involved here. And it’s more than money: a restaurateur who will survive told me “It’s hard to explain, but…we look forward seeing them all year. To people we’ve seen every year…This is a town of 3000–it’s exciting for us… They bring in the outside world, talk, tell jokes…they’re part of our culture. And a lot of them are friends.â€
So…what happened?
For one thing, the Skeena folks got locked out of the process. Every one of them—people representing what they insist are a majority…Forbidden seats on the Working Commitees; denied any information on committee deliberations; “Stonewalled†by MoE officials to whom they protested again and again.
Then, adding insult: the MoE represented to the world–still tries–that it was non-residents who objected to the proposed AMP regs. Mainly, by far and away: the AMP document spends so much time offering percentages showing how differently residents feel about new rules —which residents? The Working Committees?—that you might not notice how often they omitted sample size…
Which begs more questions.
Starting with…if there’s an agenda at work here, an orchestrated effort to cripple and alienate, divide and conquer…who benefits? Who benefits enough to make this destruction worthwhile?
Incompetence? Maybe.
But if you follow the money–
You will find billions on the line.
Billions.
Seth Norman(Quote)
The restaurant, tackle store or hotel owner could care less how they got their or if they are guiding illiegally or crowding the river. The only thing that concerns them is that they are there spending their money. My comment above gave a small insight into a very large problem. Again we are seeing the same issues here on the Fraser and local B&B’s, hotel and non-guided lodges are welcoming those non-resident illegal guides with open arms. When asked to not accommodate those people they claim they know nothing and talk of lost income.
Moe has ignored public outcrys for many years and once they have an agenda, it’s pushed forward with disregard. For example: sturgeon stamps on the Fraser, 1 day non-resident steelhead tags. Like I mentioned above, the only way to defeat this is through politics. get your pens busy and start writing.
Vic Carrao(Quote)
Vic;
I agree 100% with you about the Illegal guides on the Fraser. I have also seen the same thing, US Guides on our river with so called “Friends”
The Government needs to nail them. If a US Guide gets caught guiding in our waters, the boat and ALL gear should automatically become property of fisheries, NO EXCEPTIONS. Nail them hard, I bet the Americans would do something like this to Canadian Guides caught fishing on their rivers.
But as you know Vic, this is hard to do, we don’t have enough DFO’s as it is right now to stop other infractions. Maybe the guides here should band together and if they see a US Guide on our river, call DFO and stay with the guide until the DFO arrives.
Now trying to prove that he is guiding may be even more difficult as it is his word against yours. Take TONS of pictures that are date imprinted, that way you can show the DFO that they have been there X number of times with different people every time.
Vic is a VERY respected and well known Guide here in BC, and you don’t see him going down to Washington guiding on the Skagit for the Steelhead or Salmon.
There must be a way of stopping this here in BC, this is one of the reasons that the people of BC are pissed at Americans. There are some practices that are unethical and illegal here and in the US, but it is tough enough for us to stop Canadians from this, but add in Americans, Germans, etc… and it gets very frustrating and almost impossible to stop.
Rick Passek(Quote)
This is largely great stuff, and I only have a couple comments. This clearly isn’t a US-vs-Canadians issue that some would have us believe. BC locals have been shut out of a horrifying bit of public process, and if the people running the show seem like they’re trying to foment disagreement between the two groups (and it does), then Seth’s hunch about who stands to gain looms larger.
As for the guiding issue, I live near the Oregon/California border, and often hear about guides taking paying “friends” on waters they’re not licensed to fish (or don’t have Forest Service permits to fish, etc).
It’s an unpretty act, and I wish enforcement was easier (or even evident), but it’s an act not limited to BC. Can I assume that enforcement in BC is on a par with California, where we have approximately one Fish & Game Warden for every bazillion square miles?
The important part here is not to allow a few loudmouths to drive a wedge between the communities that should obviously be standing together. Fractionalizing communities is a time-tested corporate tactic in small towns, and it’s sadly effective, though let’s hope Internet communications makes it less so.
Tom Chandler(Quote)
I was up there this fall, and the crowding issue is real. As is the woefully inadequate respect for and enforcement of the game laws. Yes there are some nasty parochial Canucks (gee we have folks like that in our country too) but the conspiracy theory about the big resource companies chasing fishermen away is hooey. One can still go to a $10,000 per week lodge, even if this measure is pushed through, and the folks who patronize those places do not take having timber and mining companies ruining their fishing lightly. Look at who is bankrolling the Pebble Mine fight. They ain’t a bunch of weed smoking impoverished Commies.
Still,, the proposal seems to me like using a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel.
Philip(Quote)
I’m not sure how “out of the process” we were as I do recall getting an e-mail from the commitee asking for input into the Skeena process. I also remember seeing it posted on several BC web forums asking for public comments. I didn’t comment on the Skeena issue as I’m not close to that region. I am a firm believer in letting those people in their region decide what is best for them just as I would not want people from the Skeena region telling us what is good for the Fraser.
I’m not convinced this is a US/Can issue but more of a Can/ Non-resident Angler issue. As quality angling opportunities decrease across this country we have to decide which is more important, allowing open access to ALL or open access to resident anglers( after all it is our resource) and some restricted access to non-resident anglers.
The real issue with the Skeena region is that it does not have the population to support economic growth or sustainability without the non-resident angler. Unlike the Fraser sytem where we have 3 million residents within a 1 hours drive. The Skeena region largely depends on non-resident anglers which is why this region has such conflicts.
There is no doubt that the Skeena region offers some of the last remaining quality steelhead fishing in the world. Should it be shared equally amonst all anglers or should non-residents be restricted somewhat?. I’m not convinced it should be shared equally but I also don’t agree with MOE and the way they do business.
Vic Carrao(Quote)
Non-residents should be asked to pay much higher license fees. The additional revenue could be used to increase enforcement of game laws, regulate unlicensed guides (who, in addition to interfering with the livelihood of law abiding guides, can put their clients into great physical danger) and possibly fund better access to public waters. I gladly pay a supplement for my license when visiting areas where the locals have been paying the taxes; when other people come to California,I expect them to do the same.
It’s incumbent on us anglers to hold up our side of the deal, too. “Fair chase” IMO includes obeying the game laws.
Philip(Quote)
Reading many of your comments I was reminded of something Tom McGuane wrote in 1999.
“Recently I heard an old friend saying that the two rules of life he followed were: don’t even tell your mother your fishing spots, and other fishermen are the number one enemy. It is embarrassing to note the ring of truth these rules seem to have. But I think we’re going to have to rise above them. Sixty million disorganized fishermen are being hornswoggled by tightly organized and greedy elites. Last year, under the shadow of numerous environmental organizations locally headquartered , and against the wishes of 70 percent of its citizenry, Montana’s legislature undermined the best water quality laws in the Rockies and made them the worst. This is the epicenter of North American trout fishing. Still we cast a mistrustful eye on one another, like worn out secretive prospectors of last century’s gold camps. The world goes on without us, using our rivers for other than their original purposes. We really ought to get together.”
I hope that all the residents of the Skeena drainage system are able to persuade the MOE that they, the residents, will put together their own management plan for their own long term future and I hope the preservation of it’s wildlife and streams. If this citizens management plan requires support from NRA types then we should be ready to pitch in and help when that is requested. I may never have the opportunity fish these streams but if I do I will consider it a privilege, not my right. Best if luck to all you gentlemen.
Greg Hall(Quote)
Tom, BC is not much different in fact it is probably worse off than Cal or Or with regards to managment and enforcement. I have a difficult time even saying either one of those words. We have a hand full of enforcement officers to cover an incredibly large region and MOE / DFO is often steered by political pressure instead of science and common sense.
DFO is so under staffed that we now see a self managment system coming into our area. Instead of mandating regulations backed up by enforcement, they ask the angling community to abide by requests with self enforcement. When that doesn’t happen,area closures are quick to come. Even then DFO admits that their hads are tied when it comes to enforcing closed areas. We have two very good examples of this just in the past year or so with one of our main steelhead rivers and the Fraser river.
Greg, It’s a sad state of affairs but your absolutely correct, engaged minority usually rules the majority. I could list all the committees I sit on but i won’t bore you, I can say this though; if you don’t get involved you got nobody to blame but yourself.
It amazes me how divided we are as anglers yet we all do it for the same reason, the love of the outdoors.
Vic Carrao(Quote)
The Way Upstream Blog posted something about this in November, and a couple of the comments beneath the post are worth reading – especially Tim Pask’s words, who is a property owner up there.
http://www.wayupstream.com/2008/11/skeena-quality-waters-strategy.html
Tom Chandler(Quote)
Thanks Tom,
Tim Pask’s comments are indeed very well worth reading.
I think I’ve done a pretty thorough reading of everything presented so far but I cannot find anywhere an outline of what the original objective(s) were/are that started all this. Just what conditions or problems was the “planning” supposed to fix? Maybe Vic or others who are familiar with the history of this could take us back a bit in time and fill this in.
Greg Hall(Quote)
My comment is a bit long for here, so see my post, “A Different Skeena AMP Alternative”, at http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?t=30954&page=10
Richard Strauss(Quote)
phillip,
I understand and agree that non-resident aliens should be required to pay more for liscensing to supplement and enhance the fisheries due to the fact that residents pick up the tax bill year around. To me this is a no brainer everyone should agree on. However as it stands today, the bill for my non-resident alien liscense and steelhead surcharge stamp is around 160+ dollars and that does not include 22 dollars a day to fish on the classified rivers. When I add my liscensing fees up after 2 weeks of fishing I’m usually a little sticker shocked as the bill for just liscenses is in excess of 468 dollars. Add my wife to the mix every year which I do cause Im a pretty good hubby(or shes just that cool) and we come out to an astonishing 936 dollar investment. This isnt to complain by any means as I think my love for steelhead and the north country far outweigh the cost but I just want to put into perpsective the actual cost just to get started without lodging , food, staples, etc. normally we contribute well into the several thousands every year up there. So my question I guess is should I be paying more as a do-it yourselfer because honestly I don’t think I could afford it and would have to wonder how many others there are out there like me. My question is with complete respect to you as well as other Canadians. Oh one more thing is that I have fished northern BC for a long time and it is without question my favorite place on earth!
dan c(Quote)
You’re right, Dan, that’s a lot of money…but a grand for two people fishing for two weeks is not completely out of line. Lift tickets for two weeks’ skiing somewhere would cost nearly twice as much, and most forms of hunting are also more expensive. I certainly would not like to see you, your estimable wife, and other anglers with sensible and courteous attitudes chased off the rivers, however. Neither the fish, nor the Province, nor the angling community would benefit by de facto restricting the fishing to rich toffs and poachers. I wish I could come up with a creative solution.
In a more perfect world, the BC authorities could devise some work programs (clearing trails, etc.) that would count toward license fees for volunteers. That could actually be kind of fun, but of course would require oversight and attract mangy cheaters.
Philip(Quote)