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	<title>Comments on: Fly Fishing Glamping: Simply Evil, or Sign of the Coming Apocalypse?</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garri: It&#039;s not the tent or even the bed that seems to infuriate so many outdoorspeople: it&#039;s the $5K Oriental rugs, gourmet chefs and butlers. It&#039;s man conquering the wilderness instead of experiencing it in anything remotely resembling its own terms. At its best, it&#039;s a callow masquerade about living in the outdoors. At its worst, it&#039;s a pretentious strut and conspicuous consumption sandwiched between two very-thin, white-bread slices of the outdoors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garri: It&#8217;s not the tent or even the bed that seems to infuriate so many outdoorspeople: it&#8217;s the $5K Oriental rugs, gourmet chefs and butlers. It&#8217;s man conquering the wilderness instead of experiencing it in anything remotely resembling its own terms. At its best, it&#8217;s a callow masquerade about living in the outdoors. At its worst, it&#8217;s a pretentious strut and conspicuous consumption sandwiched between two very-thin, white-bread slices of the outdoors.</p>
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		<title>By: Garri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have any problem with the idea of glamping per se but what I don&#039;t like is the lazy media types attributing the term exclusively to the high-end establishments such as Ron&#039;s. 

Luxury is relative. Many places, particularly in the UK and Europe are offering stays in a yurts, tipis, safari-style tents etc, with proper beds, for a fraction of what it costs to stay at places such as Clayoquot. It&#039;s still glamping in that it&#039;s glamorous compared to the old school camping experience. 

The high end is what I would call uber-glamping. Some of these places have attempted to gain an entry for the term &#039;glamping&#039; on wikipedia but have failed due to blatant advertising. 

I don&#039;t want to see the high end places claim ownership of the term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have any problem with the idea of glamping per se but what I don&#8217;t like is the lazy media types attributing the term exclusively to the high-end establishments such as Ron&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Luxury is relative. Many places, particularly in the UK and Europe are offering stays in a yurts, tipis, safari-style tents etc, with proper beds, for a fraction of what it costs to stay at places such as Clayoquot. It&#8217;s still glamping in that it&#8217;s glamorous compared to the old school camping experience. </p>
<p>The high end is what I would call uber-glamping. Some of these places have attempted to gain an entry for the term &#8216;glamping&#8217; on wikipedia but have failed due to blatant advertising. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to see the high end places claim ownership of the term.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron: Since we&#039;re all in a mood to share information, I suppose I should tell anyone &quot;dropping by&quot; that they could stay at the Tofino Research Station on Clayoquot for $85-$120 night (shared kitchen, Internet, no Brie cheese, but you&#039;d get to hang with actual researchers instead of butlers).

That would make a three-day weekend about what... $5K cheaper than the glamping resort?

All of the beauty, none of the pretentiousness.

Just in case anyone was interested is all I&#039;m saying.

http://www.tbgf.org/cfs/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron: Since we&#8217;re all in a mood to share information, I suppose I should tell anyone &#8220;dropping by&#8221; that they could stay at the Tofino Research Station on Clayoquot for $85-$120 night (shared kitchen, Internet, no Brie cheese, but you&#8217;d get to hang with actual researchers instead of butlers).</p>
<p>That would make a three-day weekend about what&#8230; $5K cheaper than the glamping resort?</p>
<p>All of the beauty, none of the pretentiousness.</p>
<p>Just in case anyone was interested is all I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tbgf.org/cfs/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tbgf.org/cfs/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll provide information to all those willing to listen or ask- for anyone just dropping by your blog from a simple search- or to those that faithfully read your blog. Some may choose not to listen, some will complain while reading it, while others may actually be interested on reading a differing opinion to your own. 

For anyone who writes negatively, there should be some positive explanation out there. And while I understand that you and some of your readers believe in &#039;being one with nature&#039;- I&#039;m writing to the others that may want to have a more luxurious trip and not pack in beans and wieners to a campsite (which may be luxury to some who prefer to go without any form of what we have come to accept as minimal needs). 

For people that want a more pleasurable experience (in their opinion, which may not be yours)- this is what we provide: warm beds- comfort- spa treatments- fine dining- and yes, lets try some guided fly fishing on the side. Maybe even learn how to cast for the first time. 

For those that believe there isn&#039;t a place for it... there are just too many locations popping up around the world catering to just this guest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll provide information to all those willing to listen or ask- for anyone just dropping by your blog from a simple search- or to those that faithfully read your blog. Some may choose not to listen, some will complain while reading it, while others may actually be interested on reading a differing opinion to your own. </p>
<p>For anyone who writes negatively, there should be some positive explanation out there. And while I understand that you and some of your readers believe in &#8216;being one with nature&#8217;- I&#8217;m writing to the others that may want to have a more luxurious trip and not pack in beans and wieners to a campsite (which may be luxury to some who prefer to go without any form of what we have come to accept as minimal needs). </p>
<p>For people that want a more pleasurable experience (in their opinion, which may not be yours)- this is what we provide: warm beds- comfort- spa treatments- fine dining- and yes, lets try some guided fly fishing on the side. Maybe even learn how to cast for the first time. </p>
<p>For those that believe there isn&#8217;t a place for it&#8230; there are just too many locations popping up around the world catering to just this guest.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Paul Lipton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Paul Lipton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, you got served.  

If you need to spend time justifying your lame excuse of a phishing expedition on an angling blog, then the point is lost.  NO ONE here cares.  We actually fish, rather than posing with a bunch of pretentious gear and pretending that we&#039;re anglers.

Now let&#039;s get back to fishing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, you got served.  </p>
<p>If you need to spend time justifying your lame excuse of a phishing expedition on an angling blog, then the point is lost.  NO ONE here cares.  We actually fish, rather than posing with a bunch of pretentious gear and pretending that we&#8217;re anglers.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s get back to fishing.</p>
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		<title>By: ShillSpotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShillSpotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Owned!</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron: First, you&#039;re full of crap. 

Your post wasn&#039;t removed, but I just installed new anti-spam software, which &lt;i&gt;automatically&lt;/i&gt; pulled it for moderation because you included more than one link - a sign to it that your comment was spam. 

Frankly, I&#039;m inclined to agree with the software, but instead, I cut the &quot;www&quot; from the links, and they&#039;re back.

But while we&#039;re on the subject, I think we can also agree I have no obligation to provide you with a platform for selling your glamping trips. 

Your comments, after all, aren&#039;t about enlightenment, and they certainly aren&#039;t jammed with useful information. They&#039;re about getting free advertising at the expense of my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron: First, you&#8217;re full of crap. </p>
<p>Your post wasn&#8217;t removed, but I just installed new anti-spam software, which <i>automatically</i> pulled it for moderation because you included more than one link &#8211; a sign to it that your comment was spam. </p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m inclined to agree with the software, but instead, I cut the &#8220;www&#8221; from the links, and they&#8217;re back.</p>
<p>But while we&#8217;re on the subject, I think we can also agree I have no obligation to provide you with a platform for selling your glamping trips. </p>
<p>Your comments, after all, aren&#8217;t about enlightenment, and they certainly aren&#8217;t jammed with useful information. They&#8217;re about getting free advertising at the expense of my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Shillspotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shillspotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newsflash, Ron! 
In case it hasn&#039;t been made perfectly clear to you, nobody who reads this fine blog gives a shit about glamping. You&#039;re wasting your time promoting something here that most us view as a sissified version of experiencing the outdoors. I&#039;d call it gay, Ron, but I wouldn&#039;t want to bring homosexuality down to the level of glamping. Say the word glamping out loud - it even sounds gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newsflash, Ron!<br />
In case it hasn&#8217;t been made perfectly clear to you, nobody who reads this fine blog gives a shit about glamping. You&#8217;re wasting your time promoting something here that most us view as a sissified version of experiencing the outdoors. I&#8217;d call it gay, Ron, but I wouldn&#8217;t want to bring homosexuality down to the level of glamping. Say the word glamping out loud &#8211; it even sounds gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see my post has recently been removed. Its a shame when good solid posts with high value information are cut. Too often one sided views are shown on blogs and intelligent posts which are contrary to the administrators opinion are cut out.

To those interested in how &#039;the other half live&#039; especially those that are interested in &#039;glamping&#039; or talking about glamping and the activities at these resorts, I&#039;d suggest a read of the Clayoquot Wilderness Resorts blog at www.wildretreatblog.com. 

Instead of just talking negatively, have a look first. Maybe enlighten your views instead of trying to block them from your readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see my post has recently been removed. Its a shame when good solid posts with high value information are cut. Too often one sided views are shown on blogs and intelligent posts which are contrary to the administrators opinion are cut out.</p>
<p>To those interested in how &#8216;the other half live&#8217; especially those that are interested in &#8216;glamping&#8217; or talking about glamping and the activities at these resorts, I&#8217;d suggest a read of the Clayoquot Wilderness Resorts blog at <a href="http://www.wildretreatblog.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wildretreatblog.com</a>. </p>
<p>Instead of just talking negatively, have a look first. Maybe enlighten your views instead of trying to block them from your readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jameson would do nicely, but don&#039;t even think about Bushmill&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jameson would do nicely, but don&#8217;t even think about Bushmill&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy: I&#039;m not sure if that&#039;s a legitimate offer or an editorial comment, but I have to ask: who drinks bourbon when good Irish Whiskey is available?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy: I&#8217;m not sure if that&#8217;s a legitimate offer or an editorial comment, but I have to ask: who drinks bourbon when good Irish Whiskey is available?</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll fish at someone&#039;s camp in my swimsuit (heck my birthday suit) if you pay for the gas and the bourbon and build the fire. (I hate building the fire.) You just have to promise not to cry when I catch more and bigger fish than you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll fish at someone&#8217;s camp in my swimsuit (heck my birthday suit) if you pay for the gas and the bourbon and build the fire. (I hate building the fire.) You just have to promise not to cry when I catch more and bigger fish than you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Salty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and don&#039;t expect anyone who loves $5,500 weekend &quot;camping trips&quot; to love the outdoors. It&#039;s just another commodity to them, to be bought and sold.

Hardy gear is made in Asia; save a bundle and just get a TFO.

Excuse me, I have to go light a cigarette with a $100 bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and don&#8217;t expect anyone who loves $5,500 weekend &#8220;camping trips&#8221; to love the outdoors. It&#8217;s just another commodity to them, to be bought and sold.</p>
<p>Hardy gear is made in Asia; save a bundle and just get a TFO.</p>
<p>Excuse me, I have to go light a cigarette with a $100 bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This fly fishing weekend is not for the faint of wallet, if everyone could do it, no one would.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bingo: we&#039;re discussing the intersection of conspicuous consumption and the faux eco-friendly outdoors.

Good luck with the gig, but don&#039;t expect anybody who loves the outdoors precisely because it&#039;s &quot;real&quot; to fall in love with the idea of $5500 weekends for those only pretending to interact with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This fly fishing weekend is not for the faint of wallet, if everyone could do it, no one would.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bingo: we&#8217;re discussing the intersection of conspicuous consumption and the faux eco-friendly outdoors.</p>
<p>Good luck with the gig, but don&#8217;t expect anybody who loves the outdoors precisely because it&#8217;s &#8220;real&#8221; to fall in love with the idea of $5500 weekends for those only pretending to interact with it.</p>
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		<title>By: SMJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SMJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Obviously the responses so far are from non-glampers.”

I’m sure the hoards of glampers who regularly read this blog will eventually respond.   
Patience.  Most don’t wake until well after noon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Obviously the responses so far are from non-glampers.”</p>
<p>I’m sure the hoards of glampers who regularly read this blog will eventually respond.<br />
Patience.  Most don’t wake until well after noon.</p>
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