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	<title>Comments on: The Underground&#8217;s Distasteful-Yet-Timely Nestle Roundup: It&#8217;s Business as Usual</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FINALLY! Those interested in &lt;strike&gt;cracking the whip on Nestle&lt;/strike&gt; keeping track of Nestle for real should visit my just-launched StopNestleWaters.org Web site. 

It&#039;s focused entirely on Nestle-related issues, and because it&#039;s not a fly fishing blog (like the Trout Underground), there&#039;s lots, lots more to talk about.

The Trout Underground will continue taking note of Nestle&#039;s activities, but most of the action will be taking place on StopNestleWaters.org.

See you there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FINALLY! Those interested in <strike>cracking the whip on Nestle</strike> keeping track of Nestle for real should visit my just-launched StopNestleWaters.org Web site. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s focused entirely on Nestle-related issues, and because it&#8217;s not a fly fishing blog (like the Trout Underground), there&#8217;s lots, lots more to talk about.</p>
<p>The Trout Underground will continue taking note of Nestle&#8217;s activities, but most of the action will be taking place on StopNestleWaters.org.</p>
<p>See you there!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
		<link>http://troutunderground.com/2008/03/28/the-undergrounds-distasteful-yet-timely-nestle-roundup-its-business-as-usual/comment-page-1/#comment-42654</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nestle backed out of the Montague (ME) plant due to local opposition, and it sounds like Sterling&#039;s got a pretty good case for booting Nestle&#039;s project.

It&#039;s interesting to see the same patterns playing out over and over; Nestle wanders into to some cash-strapped rural area and gets the water (which they sell at a higher price than gasoline) for the equivalent in $24 in beads, and the short-sighted council, services district (whatever) jumps at it without an inch of negotiation.

And the result seems to be similar; lots of infrastructure burdens for the town (traffic, smog, environmental costs, lifestyle degradation, etc) in a long-term contract that eventually ends up in the red for the town. 

Be nice to follow the Nestle road show into a town and lay the economics out for them; that way the towns would stand a decent chance of getting a good deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nestle backed out of the Montague (ME) plant due to local opposition, and it sounds like Sterling&#8217;s got a pretty good case for booting Nestle&#8217;s project.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see the same patterns playing out over and over; Nestle wanders into to some cash-strapped rural area and gets the water (which they sell at a higher price than gasoline) for the equivalent in $24 in beads, and the short-sighted council, services district (whatever) jumps at it without an inch of negotiation.</p>
<p>And the result seems to be similar; lots of infrastructure burdens for the town (traffic, smog, environmental costs, lifestyle degradation, etc) in a long-term contract that eventually ends up in the red for the town. </p>
<p>Be nice to follow the Nestle road show into a town and lay the economics out for them; that way the towns would stand a decent chance of getting a good deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now the Nestle boys are hitting the poor rural folks in Clinton and Sterling Massachusetts. Looks like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/04/07/bottled_water_plan_divides_towns/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some of them are standing up and saying &quot;NO&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. But, given the history in Maine, Nestle really does not listen very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now the Nestle boys are hitting the poor rural folks in Clinton and Sterling Massachusetts. Looks like <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/04/07/bottled_water_plan_divides_towns/" rel="nofollow">some of them are standing up and saying &#8220;NO&#8221;</a>. But, given the history in Maine, Nestle really does not listen very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With brands like that, you wouldn&#039;t think a boycot would even be necessary. 

Nestle: The Bad Taste Company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With brands like that, you wouldn&#8217;t think a boycot would even be necessary. </p>
<p>Nestle: The Bad Taste Company.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert D. Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert D. Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never was much for bottled water, anyway- and why stop there? I can live without the rest of it, too-

http://www.nestleusa.com/PubOurBrands/Brands.aspx

No more Raisinets or Taster&#039;s Choice instant coffee, woe is me...believe me, I&#039;ll manage. How weak-ass would I be if I couldn&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never was much for bottled water, anyway- and why stop there? I can live without the rest of it, too-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nestleusa.com/PubOurBrands/Brands.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nestleusa.com/PubOurBrands/Brands.aspx</a></p>
<p>No more Raisinets or Taster&#8217;s Choice instant coffee, woe is me&#8230;believe me, I&#8217;ll manage. How weak-ass would I be if I couldn&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: Heddon17</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heddon17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A safer way to do it since you&#039;re self-employed would be to call your clients and say your computer crashed........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A safer way to do it since you&#8217;re self-employed would be to call your clients and say your computer crashed&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t laugh. I once phone in a bomb threat to my workplace so I could get to the March Brown hatch. 

The fact that I&#039;m self-employed bled a little of the fear and uncertainty out of the act, but I ended up with a couple nice fish, so decided not to press charges against myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t laugh. I once phone in a bomb threat to my workplace so I could get to the March Brown hatch. </p>
<p>The fact that I&#8217;m self-employed bled a little of the fear and uncertainty out of the act, but I ended up with a couple nice fish, so decided not to press charges against myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Heddon17</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heddon17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Future employees of the McCloud Nestle Bottling plant may want to keep this in mind if they want to go home early...

Here&#039;s one way to do it :-)

http://www.siskiyoudaily.com/articles/2008/03/28/news/100news2.txt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Future employees of the McCloud Nestle Bottling plant may want to keep this in mind if they want to go home early&#8230;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one way to do it :-)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.siskiyoudaily.com/articles/2008/03/28/news/100news2.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.siskiyoudaily.com/articles/2008/03/28/news/100news2.txt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ostrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Ostrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom: If every time you see some idiot carting a bottle of water around you were to—say—knock all their teeth out, it might make a difference. 

Again, WE are letting our own future be sold out for convenience sake. God Help us. 

Any business in Dunsmuir, Mt. Shasta, Weed or McCloud selling bottled water should be told in no uncertain terms (vis.a vis.  the Black Muslim Bakery busting up liquor stores in Oakland) to quit or be boycotted and possibly run out of town on a rail. 

Ya gotta start somewhere, might as well be where they suck the stuff out of the ground! 

My stoner friend won&#039;t touch a Nestlé product as he remembers the &quot;Nestle&#039;s Quick&quot; nightmare of the 70&#039;s... in which they put something in their chocolate milk mix which was very toxic to Kids. 

After discovery, they just shipped all the tainted Chocolate to 3rd world countries to sell to the unwary.

(Also they are famous in China for selling basically colored water in place of Baby Formulae.)

P&amp;G does the same thing and all over Africa you see outdated, or never introduced P&amp;G products on the shelves... and little else. 

But... alas we are to be CIVILIZED and not do anything really &quot;nasty&quot; to Nestlé while they use the legal system to rape and pillage our communities. 

Nice system if you can find it. 

This is a democracy, wasn&#039;t it? ~ Ralf Kircher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: If every time you see some idiot carting a bottle of water around you were to—say—knock all their teeth out, it might make a difference. </p>
<p>Again, WE are letting our own future be sold out for convenience sake. God Help us. </p>
<p>Any business in Dunsmuir, Mt. Shasta, Weed or McCloud selling bottled water should be told in no uncertain terms (vis.a vis.  the Black Muslim Bakery busting up liquor stores in Oakland) to quit or be boycotted and possibly run out of town on a rail. </p>
<p>Ya gotta start somewhere, might as well be where they suck the stuff out of the ground! </p>
<p>My stoner friend won&#8217;t touch a Nestlé product as he remembers the &#8220;Nestle&#8217;s Quick&#8221; nightmare of the 70&#8217;s&#8230; in which they put something in their chocolate milk mix which was very toxic to Kids. </p>
<p>After discovery, they just shipped all the tainted Chocolate to 3rd world countries to sell to the unwary.</p>
<p>(Also they are famous in China for selling basically colored water in place of Baby Formulae.)</p>
<p>P&amp;G does the same thing and all over Africa you see outdated, or never introduced P&amp;G products on the shelves&#8230; and little else. </p>
<p>But&#8230; alas we are to be CIVILIZED and not do anything really &#8220;nasty&#8221; to Nestlé while they use the legal system to rape and pillage our communities. </p>
<p>Nice system if you can find it. </p>
<p>This is a democracy, wasn&#8217;t it? ~ Ralf Kircher</p>
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		<title>By: Kentucky Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kentucky Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...reading about fishing is not quite as good as fishing.  But yeah, I know; you do, Tom.  I&#039;ve read most of your posts (Christ, I just realized I&#039;ve been posting here for over one year, now).  Not tryin&#039; to knock that.  Just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;reading about fishing is not quite as good as fishing.  But yeah, I know; you do, Tom.  I&#8217;ve read most of your posts (Christ, I just realized I&#8217;ve been posting here for over one year, now).  Not tryin&#8217; to knock that.  Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, I &lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt; concerned about Westlands and the raising of Shasta Dam. Search the Underground, and you&#039;ll see them covered a couple times. 

Between the Nestle, Westlands, and Klamath/Pacificorp posts (not to mention little items like the collapse of the Sacramento salmon), I like to squeeze in a &lt;i&gt;little&lt;/i&gt; actual fly fishing content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, I <i>am</i> concerned about Westlands and the raising of Shasta Dam. Search the Underground, and you&#8217;ll see them covered a couple times. </p>
<p>Between the Nestle, Westlands, and Klamath/Pacificorp posts (not to mention little items like the collapse of the Sacramento salmon), I like to squeeze in a <i>little</i> actual fly fishing content.</p>
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		<title>By: Kentucky Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kentucky Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$330,000,000 for the Bolliboka club?  Nestle can&#039;t touch that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$330,000,000 for the Bolliboka club?  Nestle can&#8217;t touch that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kentucky Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kentucky Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know...haven&#039;t lived up their in God&#039;s country. But if I were you, I think I&#039;d be a lot more concerned about Westlands Water District than about Nestle.  I think it has a lot more political clout in Sacramento and in Washington than does Nestle.  Take for example, ex-congressman Poombah, or whatever his name is.  Lotta clout for a small town guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know&#8230;haven&#8217;t lived up their in God&#8217;s country. But if I were you, I think I&#8217;d be a lot more concerned about Westlands Water District than about Nestle.  I think it has a lot more political clout in Sacramento and in Washington than does Nestle.  Take for example, ex-congressman Poombah, or whatever his name is.  Lotta clout for a small town guy.</p>
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