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	<title>Comments on: &quot;Support This Illegal Natural Resources Plan Or Your River Gets It!&quot;: An Underground Update</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill: The agenda for Tuesday&#039;s meeting won&#039;t be published until Friday. There&#039;s some confusion about what&#039;s really going to happen, but as near as I can tell, the BOS are going to vote to establish the committee that advises the Board using the Natural Resource Policy for guidance.

One of the PITA aspects of them adopting the Natural Resource Policy in a resolution (instead of ordinance) is that we won&#039;t necessarily receive much notice.

It&#039;s been an interesting day; organized opposition is finally underway, and I&#039;m hearing some feedback that -- despite the defiant stance -- some of the supervisors are starting to wonder what the heck is going on. 

Update coming soon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill: The agenda for Tuesday&#8217;s meeting won&#8217;t be published until Friday. There&#8217;s some confusion about what&#8217;s really going to happen, but as near as I can tell, the BOS are going to vote to establish the committee that advises the Board using the Natural Resource Policy for guidance.</p>
<p>One of the PITA aspects of them adopting the Natural Resource Policy in a resolution (instead of ordinance) is that we won&#8217;t necessarily receive much notice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been an interesting day; organized opposition is finally underway, and I&#8217;m hearing some feedback that &#8212; despite the defiant stance &#8212; some of the supervisors are starting to wonder what the heck is going on. </p>
<p>Update coming soon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Carnazzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Carnazzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the item in fact on the Nov. 6th agenda? If so, do you have the agenda packet material on the item, and/or any past agenda materials that are pertinent? I would like to have that material in hand when I go see the AG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the item in fact on the Nov. 6th agenda? If so, do you have the agenda packet material on the item, and/or any past agenda materials that are pertinent? I would like to have that material in hand when I go see the AG.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks guys. It&#039;s good to have some direction regarding the next step. With Supervisor Cook responding to e-mails with a single sentence (a cryptic, misleading &quot;You have been misinformed&quot;), it&#039;s clear the supervisors aren&#039;t going to listen on this one.

The November 6 meeting will feature a vote on the ordinance establishing the &quot;advisory&quot; committee, which will in turn use the Natural Resources Policies to define their response.

I wish I&#039;d understood the importance of the committee better at the start; the whole setup is an underhanded way of not creating an ordinance around the Natural Resource Policies, but simply allowing the supervisors to approve them with a resolution.

Nice -- especially if you don&#039;t want a lot of public input cluttering up the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys. It&#8217;s good to have some direction regarding the next step. With Supervisor Cook responding to e-mails with a single sentence (a cryptic, misleading &#8220;You have been misinformed&#8221;), it&#8217;s clear the supervisors aren&#8217;t going to listen on this one.</p>
<p>The November 6 meeting will feature a vote on the ordinance establishing the &#8220;advisory&#8221; committee, which will in turn use the Natural Resources Policies to define their response.</p>
<p>I wish I&#8217;d understood the importance of the committee better at the start; the whole setup is an underhanded way of not creating an ordinance around the Natural Resource Policies, but simply allowing the supervisors to approve them with a resolution.</p>
<p>Nice &#8212; especially if you don&#8217;t want a lot of public input cluttering up the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Carnazzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Carnazzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom--I do intend to follow up with the AG. Although Jan Stephens, who I know from my interaction with the State Lands Commission on navigability issues (Jan, as Assistant AG, represented that commission), is now retired there is undoubtedly someone who stepped into his shoes. I tried to pull up the November 6th BOS agenda on the Clerk&#039;s web page but apparently it is not yet public. Will the navigability issue be on that agenda? Although I will make contact with the AG, it would be advisable for others (organizations, individuals, etc.) to also step into that part of the fray. I also sent a letter to the BOS for the official record, with a copy to the Clerk and County Counsel. I don&#039;t know how to attach a document to this post, or I&#039;d append the letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom&#8211;I do intend to follow up with the AG. Although Jan Stephens, who I know from my interaction with the State Lands Commission on navigability issues (Jan, as Assistant AG, represented that commission), is now retired there is undoubtedly someone who stepped into his shoes. I tried to pull up the November 6th BOS agenda on the Clerk&#8217;s web page but apparently it is not yet public. Will the navigability issue be on that agenda? Although I will make contact with the AG, it would be advisable for others (organizations, individuals, etc.) to also step into that part of the fray. I also sent a letter to the BOS for the official record, with a copy to the Clerk and County Counsel. I don&#8217;t know how to attach a document to this post, or I&#8217;d append the letter.</p>
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		<title>By: overmywaders</title>
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		<dc:creator>overmywaders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Getting the AG to provide an opinion is very valuable. Though it does not have the force of a court decision it usually will be taken quite seriously.

Here is how you get the AG to provide an opinion -- http://www.ag.ca.gov/opinions/ . &quot;However, this does not authorize a designated officer to request an opinion on a question posed by someone else. A request will be declined when it is apparent that the request is made on behalf of someone not authorized by Government Code section 12519.&quot; So, DF&amp;G, for example, would need to request the opinion for their own interests - fisheries; or the CA EPA, aware of the impact of privatizing the waters (thus avoiding the Clean Water Act); or the State Land Agency for a possible &quot;taking&quot; of the riverbeds of navigable streams; the list goes on of agencies who will be affected by the County&#039;s resource grab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Getting the AG to provide an opinion is very valuable. Though it does not have the force of a court decision it usually will be taken quite seriously.</p>
<p>Here is how you get the AG to provide an opinion &#8212; <a href="http://www.ag.ca.gov/opinions/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ag.ca.gov/opinions/</a> . &#8220;However, this does not authorize a designated officer to request an opinion on a question posed by someone else. A request will be declined when it is apparent that the request is made on behalf of someone not authorized by Government Code section 12519.&#8221; So, DF&amp;G, for example, would need to request the opinion for their own interests &#8211; fisheries; or the CA EPA, aware of the impact of privatizing the waters (thus avoiding the Clean Water Act); or the State Land Agency for a possible &#8220;taking&#8221; of the riverbeds of navigable streams; the list goes on of agencies who will be affected by the County&#8217;s resource grab.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill: It&#039;s becoming clear the county has no right to designate navigability, but what&#039;s equally clear is that it doesn&#039;t matter to them.

Being legally in the right will be small comfort when a pissed off landowner is waving a gun at you, or -- in the case of a certain Castella landowner -- hitting people on the heads with rocks for fishing &quot;his&quot; river.

Our best hope is to beat this thing like a rug before it gets passed, or make it so politically painful for the supervisors that when it does pass, they&#039;re basically signing their own political careers away. 

Hell, even the county&#039;s own counsel publicly stated the county had no legal basis for enforcing much of this plan.

I agree that getting the California Attorney General involved is perhaps the next step. 

Can you suggest how we&#039;d do that -- or embark on that one yourself?

(PS -- just posted a &lt;a href=&quot;http://troutunderground.com/2007/10/25/the-latest-on-your-right-to-fly-fish-the-upper-sac-mccloud-its-getting-uglier/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new article&lt;/a&gt; on this)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill: It&#8217;s becoming clear the county has no right to designate navigability, but what&#8217;s equally clear is that it doesn&#8217;t matter to them.</p>
<p>Being legally in the right will be small comfort when a pissed off landowner is waving a gun at you, or &#8212; in the case of a certain Castella landowner &#8212; hitting people on the heads with rocks for fishing &#8220;his&#8221; river.</p>
<p>Our best hope is to beat this thing like a rug before it gets passed, or make it so politically painful for the supervisors that when it does pass, they&#8217;re basically signing their own political careers away. </p>
<p>Hell, even the county&#8217;s own counsel publicly stated the county had no legal basis for enforcing much of this plan.</p>
<p>I agree that getting the California Attorney General involved is perhaps the next step. </p>
<p>Can you suggest how we&#8217;d do that &#8212; or embark on that one yourself?</p>
<p>(PS &#8212; just posted a <a href="http://troutunderground.com/2007/10/25/the-latest-on-your-right-to-fly-fish-the-upper-sac-mccloud-its-getting-uglier/" rel="nofollow">new article</a> on this)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Carnazzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Carnazzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been through this problem on other rivers--both as a guide and as a lawyer. What it boils down to, from a legal standpoint, is this:
1. The only authorities who can make a determination as to &quot;navigability&quot; are the State Legislature and the California Courts. Boards of Supervisors have no authority whatsoever on this issue, as it is a matter of statewide concern and not a &quot;local&quot; issue.
2. The principal case on this subject is the one that resulted in the opening of the Fall River to anglers in the mid &#039;70&#039;s. That case was filed and won by the District Attorney of Shasta County.
3. Because of the conflict of interest that the Siskiyou District Attorney would have here (due to the Board of Supervisors&#039; position--or at least that of certain members of that body)the State Attorney General&#039;s Office needs to be involved here. That will put a stop to this saber-rattling, unproductive diatribe.

If I can be of any assistance in this battle, I am more than willing to help. I own a home in Dunsmuir so I&#039;m a county resident. I also guide on the Upper Sac and McCloud rivers.

Thanks for keeping us informed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been through this problem on other rivers&#8211;both as a guide and as a lawyer. What it boils down to, from a legal standpoint, is this:<br />
1. The only authorities who can make a determination as to &#8220;navigability&#8221; are the State Legislature and the California Courts. Boards of Supervisors have no authority whatsoever on this issue, as it is a matter of statewide concern and not a &#8220;local&#8221; issue.<br />
2. The principal case on this subject is the one that resulted in the opening of the Fall River to anglers in the mid &#8217;70&#8217;s. That case was filed and won by the District Attorney of Shasta County.<br />
3. Because of the conflict of interest that the Siskiyou District Attorney would have here (due to the Board of Supervisors&#8217; position&#8211;or at least that of certain members of that body)the State Attorney General&#8217;s Office needs to be involved here. That will put a stop to this saber-rattling, unproductive diatribe.</p>
<p>If I can be of any assistance in this battle, I am more than willing to help. I own a home in Dunsmuir so I&#8217;m a county resident. I also guide on the Upper Sac and McCloud rivers.</p>
<p>Thanks for keeping us informed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
		<link>http://troutunderground.com/2007/10/18/support-this-illegal-natural-resources-plan-or-your-river-gets-it-an-underground-update/comment-page-1/#comment-16472</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isaac: The California State definition of &quot;navigable&quot; doesn&#039;t rely on the federal definition. Instead, it recognizes the value of recreational use (and commerce), so essentially, the test is one relating to whether the river is passable a majority of the year via paddled craft or small motored craft. 

What I don&#039;t know is how all the water diversions figure into it. There have been several cases where both rivers have been essentially dewatered in recent times.

Kentucky: Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isaac: The California State definition of &#8220;navigable&#8221; doesn&#8217;t rely on the federal definition. Instead, it recognizes the value of recreational use (and commerce), so essentially, the test is one relating to whether the river is passable a majority of the year via paddled craft or small motored craft. </p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t know is how all the water diversions figure into it. There have been several cases where both rivers have been essentially dewatered in recent times.</p>
<p>Kentucky: Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Kentucky Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kentucky Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, 
   Don&#039;t know anything about the proposed law; sent her an e-mail anyway, asking her to reconsider her position, on the theory that the more, and the sooner, the better. 
   Regards,
     Kentucky Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,<br />
   Don&#8217;t know anything about the proposed law; sent her an e-mail anyway, asking her to reconsider her position, on the theory that the more, and the sooner, the better.<br />
   Regards,<br />
     Kentucky Jim</p>
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		<title>By: isaac roman</title>
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		<dc:creator>isaac roman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wasn&#039;t the scott used to transport furs to the mighty klamath---COMMERCE---navigable-seems like this is just really absurd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wasn&#8217;t the scott used to transport furs to the mighty klamath&#8212;COMMERCE&#8212;navigable-seems like this is just really absurd</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curly: I wish you weren&#039;t so often right about the mining groups (and the seven year detour through the bizarro language universe). 

As for our legal options, I&#039;d prefer to try and handle this one politically -- the idea being it becomes too politically expensive to try and make this damaging Natural Resource Policy happen.

If that fails, I&#039;d hope a sportsmen&#039;s group would step up with a lawsuit, the net result of which would be a declaration that all the rivers we&#039;ve mentioned so far would be declared navigable, and supervisor Armstrong could go eat Chicken Kiev.

More to come.

What we&#039;re seeing here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curly: I wish you weren&#8217;t so often right about the mining groups (and the seven year detour through the bizarro language universe). </p>
<p>As for our legal options, I&#8217;d prefer to try and handle this one politically &#8212; the idea being it becomes too politically expensive to try and make this damaging Natural Resource Policy happen.</p>
<p>If that fails, I&#8217;d hope a sportsmen&#8217;s group would step up with a lawsuit, the net result of which would be a declaration that all the rivers we&#8217;ve mentioned so far would be declared navigable, and supervisor Armstrong could go eat Chicken Kiev.</p>
<p>More to come.</p>
<p>What we&#8217;re seeing here</p>
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		<title>By: Curly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isaac: Backwards indeed. But then, in recent years some of us have come to suspect that our world may be actually passing through a wierd backwards-inverted, spun-reverse mirror universe where even the basic components of language take on the opposite meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isaac: Backwards indeed. But then, in recent years some of us have come to suspect that our world may be actually passing through a wierd backwards-inverted, spun-reverse mirror universe where even the basic components of language take on the opposite meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: isaac roman</title>
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		<dc:creator>isaac roman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>over my waders---is there any weay you could forward the info on increasing water access directly to marcia armstrong? that would clarify here wrongful position on this subject...

Curly--- I can only imagine the devistation dredge mining would do to our waterways....bugs, sculpin, auquatic vegitation, and of course rainbow and brown trout eggs and fry.  this has been the case in years past and we still don&#039;t see the negative effects. some people are blinded by benjamin franklin and its time they woke the #!$% up!!!!  this is were the real regulation should be.  how many times have you heard of a fisherman, kayaker or rafter destroying a couple generations of life in the river....its just terrible that they want us to lose out because we aren,t causing any severe ecological damage....seems a little backwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>over my waders&#8212;is there any weay you could forward the info on increasing water access directly to marcia armstrong? that would clarify here wrongful position on this subject&#8230;</p>
<p>Curly&#8212; I can only imagine the devistation dredge mining would do to our waterways&#8230;.bugs, sculpin, auquatic vegitation, and of course rainbow and brown trout eggs and fry.  this has been the case in years past and we still don&#8217;t see the negative effects. some people are blinded by benjamin franklin and its time they woke the #!$% up!!!!  this is were the real regulation should be.  how many times have you heard of a fisherman, kayaker or rafter destroying a couple generations of life in the river&#8230;.its just terrible that they want us to lose out because we aren,t causing any severe ecological damage&#8230;.seems a little backwards.</p>
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		<title>By: kmckiou</title>
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		<dc:creator>kmckiou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

I&#039;m new to your blog (been following it about a month) so I may not have the whole picture.  When I have seen local zoning battles won by residents, they have usually formed some sort of formal coalition and engaged the services of a competent lawyer.  I would think, at the very least, a good lawyer could keep the county tied up in court for a long time.  At least on the surface, it appears that there may be legal justification to stop the county from proceeding with their plans.  I would hope that there is some sympathetic legal council that might assist in laying the right groundwork at little initial cost.  I suppose one might also consider that the county actions will damage the livelihood of many individuals.  If they are doing so without sufficient reason or authority, then you would also expect that the county would be liable for compensation.  I would think this could become really nasty for the county board - under the right circumstances.  How about a little &quot;stick&quot; to go along with that carrot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m new to your blog (been following it about a month) so I may not have the whole picture.  When I have seen local zoning battles won by residents, they have usually formed some sort of formal coalition and engaged the services of a competent lawyer.  I would think, at the very least, a good lawyer could keep the county tied up in court for a long time.  At least on the surface, it appears that there may be legal justification to stop the county from proceeding with their plans.  I would hope that there is some sympathetic legal council that might assist in laying the right groundwork at little initial cost.  I suppose one might also consider that the county actions will damage the livelihood of many individuals.  If they are doing so without sufficient reason or authority, then you would also expect that the county would be liable for compensation.  I would think this could become really nasty for the county board &#8211; under the right circumstances.  How about a little &#8220;stick&#8221; to go along with that carrot?</p>
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		<title>By: Curly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom: You are spot-on about the governor bowing to a lobby. And they are the same folks who are pulling strings in your county. Actually there are two distinct mining groups at work. One represents &quot;recreational&quot; placer mining &quot;clubs&quot; whose members run dredges the the size of flyfishing pontoon boats equipped with suction intakes 2&quot; to 7&quot; in diameter. This is becoming a very popular activity and growing with the value of gold.
   The other and even more potent lobby is the one representing multinational mining interests who employ barge-sized dredges along with hydrolic blasting equipment capable of washing mountains away. These people have a lot of money and would love to buy up sections of private river. 
   Sad truth is: roughly half of us Americans believe that these mining activities are a lot more important than the flyfishing experience. So, this is a multi-leveled fight, make no mistake, and it is not going to be an easy one. It is the real fight of our lifetime, and will last for the rest of our lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: You are spot-on about the governor bowing to a lobby. And they are the same folks who are pulling strings in your county. Actually there are two distinct mining groups at work. One represents &#8220;recreational&#8221; placer mining &#8220;clubs&#8221; whose members run dredges the the size of flyfishing pontoon boats equipped with suction intakes 2&#8243; to 7&#8243; in diameter. This is becoming a very popular activity and growing with the value of gold.<br />
   The other and even more potent lobby is the one representing multinational mining interests who employ barge-sized dredges along with hydrolic blasting equipment capable of washing mountains away. These people have a lot of money and would love to buy up sections of private river.<br />
   Sad truth is: roughly half of us Americans believe that these mining activities are a lot more important than the flyfishing experience. So, this is a multi-leveled fight, make no mistake, and it is not going to be an easy one. It is the real fight of our lifetime, and will last for the rest of our lives.</p>
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