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	<title>Comments on: The California Water Wars: Pumping the Delta Smelt Into Oblivion</title>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, do you find it sexy when Bugs Bunny dresses up like a girl bunny?
Seriously, kudos and thank you; Ilove to show my associates here in the SJ Valley the other side of the argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, do you find it sexy when Bugs Bunny dresses up like a girl bunny?<br />
Seriously, kudos and thank you; Ilove to show my associates here in the SJ Valley the other side of the argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-58158&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-58158&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alicia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: hahahayeah, spanky’s pretty cool too. :)and yeah, i actually didn’t know anything about the shut down fisherman businesses. it just sounds like nobody can win this one. :(

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I&#039;ve heard suggestions that Delta water is overpromised on the order of 8x. Nobody&#039;s going to win in a situation like that - especially once a drought hits.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-58158" rel="nofollow">Alicia</a></strong>: hahahayeah, spanky’s pretty cool too. :)and yeah, i actually didn’t know anything about the shut down fisherman businesses. it just sounds like nobody can win this one. :(</p>
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<p>I&#8217;ve heard suggestions that Delta water is overpromised on the order of 8x. Nobody&#8217;s going to win in a situation like that &#8211; especially once a drought hits.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha  yeah, spanky&#039;s pretty cool too. :)  and yeah, i actually didn&#039;t know anything about the shut down fisherman businesses. it just sounds like nobody can win this one. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha  yeah, spanky&#8217;s pretty cool too. :)  and yeah, i actually didn&#8217;t know anything about the shut down fisherman businesses. it just sounds like nobody can win this one. :(</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-58148&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-58148&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alicia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: well, alfalfa was my fav character from the little rascals. :)

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I&#039;m more a Spanky guy. But see, now we got common ground to start discussing the big issues... (for guys, that&#039;s Ginger or Maryann).</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-58148" rel="nofollow">Alicia</a></strong>: well, alfalfa was my fav character from the little rascals. :)</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m more a Spanky guy. But see, now we got common ground to start discussing the big issues&#8230; (for guys, that&#8217;s Ginger or Maryann).</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, alfalfa was my fav character from the little rascals. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, alfalfa was my fav character from the little rascals. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-58136&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-58136&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alicia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: It is very disturbing to know that some people care more about a fish than PEOPLE’S lives.

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Yeah, it&#039;s astonishing how few people are covering the story of the commercial salmon fishermen and the sport fishing-related businesses who have suffered &lt;i&gt;complete&lt;/i&gt; shutdowns of their businesses the last two years

I guess some just care more about alfalfa than people.

This issue is hardly that simple. Pumping restrictions only accounted for 10% of the total water delivery shortfall; the other 90% was due to the drought, pure and simple. 

That you want to lay this at the feet of collapsing Delta is just plain wrong.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-58136" rel="nofollow">Alicia</a></strong>: It is very disturbing to know that some people care more about a fish than PEOPLE’S lives.</p>
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<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s astonishing how few people are covering the story of the commercial salmon fishermen and the sport fishing-related businesses who have suffered <i>complete</i> shutdowns of their businesses the last two years</p>
<p>I guess some just care more about alfalfa than people.</p>
<p>This issue is hardly that simple. Pumping restrictions only accounted for 10% of the total water delivery shortfall; the other 90% was due to the drought, pure and simple. </p>
<p>That you want to lay this at the feet of collapsing Delta is just plain wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very disturbing to know that some people care more about a fish than PEOPLE&#039;S lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very disturbing to know that some people care more about a fish than PEOPLE&#8217;S lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-58097&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-58097&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Realist&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Tom,I’m sorry to break it to you buddy, but the livelihoods of thousands or millions should take precedence over a smelt the size of your thumb.There is nothing altruistic about inflicting hardship on millions to save your little fish.It is downright disturbing that anyone would think otherwise.

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I hate to break it to you buddy, but the Delta Smelt isn&#039;t affecting you like you think it is.

The pumps, after all, are running right now and have been for months. Even Lester Snow - head of the state water resources folks - said turning the pumps off only drove water deliveries down 5% of the total.

And the most generous estimate I&#039;ve seen is that restrictions only made up 1/4 of the water shortfall - the other 75% coming to you courtesy of our three year drought (you did notice the drought, yes).

In other words, the Delta Smelt issue is more red herring than real, but sadly, it&#039;s become a cause celebre among those unwilling to read critically. Again, I&#039;ve seen estimates suggesting that 80%-90% of the *new* unemployment in California&#039;s central valley has absolutely nothing to do with pumping restrictions, and everything to do with a bad economy and the drought.

That opportunists like Westlands Irrigation District and Sean Hannity jump on this is hardly a surprise; they&#039;ve got a lot to gain by once again casting a tiny fish as the issue. After all, it affords some a chance to become self-righteous victims, when in fact, the problem has been magnified dramatically by the record amounts of water pumped from the Delta in the handful of years prior to the drought.

To borrow your words, something&#039;s downright disturbing here, but it&#039;s largely the willingness of people to act like sheep, blaming everyone for their problems but greed, the weather, and more greed.

The Delta Smelt isn&#039;t the problem here, but given the willingness of folks to stampeded, it probably won&#039;t matter in the long run.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-58097" rel="nofollow">Realist</a></strong>: Tom,I’m sorry to break it to you buddy, but the livelihoods of thousands or millions should take precedence over a smelt the size of your thumb.There is nothing altruistic about inflicting hardship on millions to save your little fish.It is downright disturbing that anyone would think otherwise.</p>
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<p>I hate to break it to you buddy, but the Delta Smelt isn&#8217;t affecting you like you think it is.</p>
<p>The pumps, after all, are running right now and have been for months. Even Lester Snow &#8211; head of the state water resources folks &#8211; said turning the pumps off only drove water deliveries down 5% of the total.</p>
<p>And the most generous estimate I&#8217;ve seen is that restrictions only made up 1/4 of the water shortfall &#8211; the other 75% coming to you courtesy of our three year drought (you did notice the drought, yes).</p>
<p>In other words, the Delta Smelt issue is more red herring than real, but sadly, it&#8217;s become a cause celebre among those unwilling to read critically. Again, I&#8217;ve seen estimates suggesting that 80%-90% of the *new* unemployment in California&#8217;s central valley has absolutely nothing to do with pumping restrictions, and everything to do with a bad economy and the drought.</p>
<p>That opportunists like Westlands Irrigation District and Sean Hannity jump on this is hardly a surprise; they&#8217;ve got a lot to gain by once again casting a tiny fish as the issue. After all, it affords some a chance to become self-righteous victims, when in fact, the problem has been magnified dramatically by the record amounts of water pumped from the Delta in the handful of years prior to the drought.</p>
<p>To borrow your words, something&#8217;s downright disturbing here, but it&#8217;s largely the willingness of people to act like sheep, blaming everyone for their problems but greed, the weather, and more greed.</p>
<p>The Delta Smelt isn&#8217;t the problem here, but given the willingness of folks to stampeded, it probably won&#8217;t matter in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: KBarton10</title>
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		<dc:creator>KBarton10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Realist,

You seem overly concerned about watery tomatos and limp lettuce, but I&#039;d suggest the main course is in jeopardy. Smelt are only the target du jour, what about all the fisheries jobs you imperil by sucking every last drop from Northern California - to water the fields and lawns of Southern California?

I think Salmon taste a lot better than pallid tomatoes ... and while my doctor insists I eat more roughfage, he also suggests a couple of meals per week of fish - and salmon particularly...

Those fishermen and cannery workers vote as well - and while your farming interests enjoy the benefit of countless lobbyists and an archaic system combining &quot;Spanish Land Grants&quot; with Payola - at some point you&#039;ll have drained everything north of Fresno.

Then you can do battle with the Hollywood enclave - insisting your desalinization pipeline run clean across Malibu beach - and you can make your case to the courts and voters while Tom Cruise&#039;s lawyer tears you a new one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Realist,</p>
<p>You seem overly concerned about watery tomatos and limp lettuce, but I&#8217;d suggest the main course is in jeopardy. Smelt are only the target du jour, what about all the fisheries jobs you imperil by sucking every last drop from Northern California &#8211; to water the fields and lawns of Southern California?</p>
<p>I think Salmon taste a lot better than pallid tomatoes &#8230; and while my doctor insists I eat more roughfage, he also suggests a couple of meals per week of fish &#8211; and salmon particularly&#8230;</p>
<p>Those fishermen and cannery workers vote as well &#8211; and while your farming interests enjoy the benefit of countless lobbyists and an archaic system combining &#8220;Spanish Land Grants&#8221; with Payola &#8211; at some point you&#8217;ll have drained everything north of Fresno.</p>
<p>Then you can do battle with the Hollywood enclave &#8211; insisting your desalinization pipeline run clean across Malibu beach &#8211; and you can make your case to the courts and voters while Tom Cruise&#8217;s lawyer tears you a new one.</p>
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		<title>By: Realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

I&#039;m sorry to break it to you buddy, but the livelihoods of thousands or millions should take precedence over a smelt the size of your thumb.  There is nothing altruistic about inflicting hardship on millions to save your little fish.  It is downright disturbing that anyone would think otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to break it to you buddy, but the livelihoods of thousands or millions should take precedence over a smelt the size of your thumb.  There is nothing altruistic about inflicting hardship on millions to save your little fish.  It is downright disturbing that anyone would think otherwise.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Fish or Families? A thread about the government saving the environment. - Page 2 - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Cool Dogit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cool Dogit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom
Cut the water to the LA basin but keep the trees and farmers alive.  I eat more fruit, nuts, and veggies than smelt.   But LA just waters their driveways and cars.  Let them conserve and limit growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom<br />
Cut the water to the LA basin but keep the trees and farmers alive.  I eat more fruit, nuts, and veggies than smelt.   But LA just waters their driveways and cars.  Let them conserve and limit growth.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re right. Our new, species-saving bumper sticker: &lt;strong&gt;Paris Hilton Loves the Delta Smelt!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. Our new, species-saving bumper sticker: <strong>Paris Hilton Loves the Delta Smelt!</strong></p>
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		<title>By: kbarton10</title>
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		<dc:creator>kbarton10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smelt have no chance. Every citizen knows that the only fish worth protecting are the ones you can make a sandwich from...

Ok, sandwich or Sushi from..we&#039;ll adopt an international stance.

If you mentioned that the Delta Smelt were what Mickey Dee&#039;s makes the &quot;Fillet O&#039; Fish&quot; sandwich from, it would make it an instant national disaster.

GreenPeace followers would throw themselves into the pumps by the hundred, there may even be ritual gashing, and self immolation.

Folks care about what they see and feel, which is why the national debt spirals out of control.

Make this a cause celeb, it ain&#039;t enough to say, &quot;Gosh Darn, hate that.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smelt have no chance. Every citizen knows that the only fish worth protecting are the ones you can make a sandwich from&#8230;</p>
<p>Ok, sandwich or Sushi from..we&#8217;ll adopt an international stance.</p>
<p>If you mentioned that the Delta Smelt were what Mickey Dee&#8217;s makes the &#8220;Fillet O&#8217; Fish&#8221; sandwich from, it would make it an instant national disaster.</p>
<p>GreenPeace followers would throw themselves into the pumps by the hundred, there may even be ritual gashing, and self immolation.</p>
<p>Folks care about what they see and feel, which is why the national debt spirals out of control.</p>
<p>Make this a cause celeb, it ain&#8217;t enough to say, &#8220;Gosh Darn, hate that.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the hardest thing this state (and most of the West) will ever do is to start living within its means from an energy and water perspective.

I added your blog to my RSS reader. You do good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the hardest thing this state (and most of the West) will ever do is to start living within its means from an energy and water perspective.</p>
<p>I added your blog to my RSS reader. You do good work!</p>
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