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	<title>Comments on: The Orvis Zero Gravity Fly Rod: An Underground Review</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
		<link>http://troutunderground.com/2007/03/06/the-orvis-zero-gravity-fly-rod-an-underground-review/comment-page-1/#comment-55674</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-55668&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-55668&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Derek&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Hey Tom about how much does the ZeroG cost and where can i get one?

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Orvis sells them (orvis.com), or at least they used to - the rod&#039;s been discontinued in favor of the Helios, which is (you guessed it) lighter and more expensive (and a straight taper vs a compound taper). 

ZeroGravity rods are still being offered on eBay by closeout companies, so if you want one, you&#039;ll probably end up there.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-55668" rel="nofollow">Derek</a></strong>: Hey Tom about how much does the ZeroG cost and where can i get one?</p>
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<p>Orvis sells them (orvis.com), or at least they used to &#8211; the rod&#8217;s been discontinued in favor of the Helios, which is (you guessed it) lighter and more expensive (and a straight taper vs a compound taper). </p>
<p>ZeroGravity rods are still being offered on eBay by closeout companies, so if you want one, you&#8217;ll probably end up there.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tom about how much does the ZeroG cost and where can i get one?</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
		<link>http://troutunderground.com/2007/03/06/the-orvis-zero-gravity-fly-rod-an-underground-review/comment-page-1/#comment-53182</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry so slow to this one; developing and teaching class stuff chews up most of my time.

@MHH First, I&#039;d go with a good graphite rod, and worry about bamboo later. Bamboo is expensive, but more importantly, buying used cane can be a dicey matter; I finally gave up even trying to buy bamboo on ebay after getting stung. In the price range you mentioned, you probably won&#039;t get a great rod. 

As &lt;strike&gt;that cheap bastard&lt;/strike&gt; Singlebarbed noted, there are some deals to be had on new rods on eBay, and your instincts about getting a solid graphite to start with are good. 

There&#039;s no shortage of advice from people about which rod you &quot;should&quot; own (or my personal favorite, &quot;You can&#039;t go wrong with... xxxx&quot;), but you don&#039;t really know what you want to buy until you&#039;ve fished a while (fast rods, slow rods, etc). Buy a decent rod, fish it and have lots of fun. 

@Tom; I&#039;m not familiar enough with the Delaware to make any proclomations, but I&#039;ve been really happy with my 9&#039; 6wt Orvis (same as you described). Then again, I&#039;m a fool for 6wts to begin with - they do so much so well, and there just isn&#039;t a penalty to using them unless you&#039;re allergic to another half-ounce of weight (mine protects fine tippets just peachy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry so slow to this one; developing and teaching class stuff chews up most of my time.</p>
<p>@MHH First, I&#8217;d go with a good graphite rod, and worry about bamboo later. Bamboo is expensive, but more importantly, buying used cane can be a dicey matter; I finally gave up even trying to buy bamboo on ebay after getting stung. In the price range you mentioned, you probably won&#8217;t get a great rod. </p>
<p>As <strike>that cheap bastard</strike> Singlebarbed noted, there are some deals to be had on new rods on eBay, and your instincts about getting a solid graphite to start with are good. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no shortage of advice from people about which rod you &#8220;should&#8221; own (or my personal favorite, &#8220;You can&#8217;t go wrong with&#8230; xxxx&#8221;), but you don&#8217;t really know what you want to buy until you&#8217;ve fished a while (fast rods, slow rods, etc). Buy a decent rod, fish it and have lots of fun. </p>
<p>@Tom; I&#8217;m not familiar enough with the Delaware to make any proclomations, but I&#8217;ve been really happy with my 9&#8242; 6wt Orvis (same as you described). Then again, I&#8217;m a fool for 6wts to begin with &#8211; they do so much so well, and there just isn&#8217;t a penalty to using them unless you&#8217;re allergic to another half-ounce of weight (mine protects fine tippets just peachy).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Kieren</title>
		<link>http://troutunderground.com/2007/03/06/the-orvis-zero-gravity-fly-rod-an-underground-review/comment-page-1/#comment-53178</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Kieren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m now considering buying a new Helios, 6 wt, 9 ft. four piece rod, mid flex 7.5 - primarily for the Deleware River in NY/NJ/PA.  Does this seem like a sensible rod for this type of water?  Any suggestions?

I have a Montague bamboo rod I would sell for $300 and I&#039;ll have it appraised shortly to confirm my price.  It is used and comes in three pieces: three pieces together make it a 8.5 ft rod; with the additional piece substituting for the second piece) included, it becomes a 6 ft rod.  Never used it - so I&#039;ll sell it since I have too much stuff around here.  I can be reached at 973-214-6473 to discuss.  

Yes, for the newcomer to fly fishing, Orvis has great customer service and bends over backwards to assist us in selecting the best rod for our budget and taking it back should we buy the &quot;wrong&quot; rod.  And their warranties can&#039;t be beat when you buy &quot;new&quot;.  Best to go up to their Manchester Vt. property to test out their rods in their ponds.  And you can&#039;t beat their &quot;tent sale&quot; during Memorial day weekend!! - where newish rods are sold at rediculously low prices but come without their warranty I&#039;m told.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m now considering buying a new Helios, 6 wt, 9 ft. four piece rod, mid flex 7.5 &#8211; primarily for the Deleware River in NY/NJ/PA.  Does this seem like a sensible rod for this type of water?  Any suggestions?</p>
<p>I have a Montague bamboo rod I would sell for $300 and I&#8217;ll have it appraised shortly to confirm my price.  It is used and comes in three pieces: three pieces together make it a 8.5 ft rod; with the additional piece substituting for the second piece) included, it becomes a 6 ft rod.  Never used it &#8211; so I&#8217;ll sell it since I have too much stuff around here.  I can be reached at 973-214-6473 to discuss.  </p>
<p>Yes, for the newcomer to fly fishing, Orvis has great customer service and bends over backwards to assist us in selecting the best rod for our budget and taking it back should we buy the &#8220;wrong&#8221; rod.  And their warranties can&#8217;t be beat when you buy &#8220;new&#8221;.  Best to go up to their Manchester Vt. property to test out their rods in their ponds.  And you can&#8217;t beat their &#8220;tent sale&#8221; during Memorial day weekend!! &#8211; where newish rods are sold at rediculously low prices but come without their warranty I&#8217;m told.</p>
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		<title>By: kbarton10</title>
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		<dc:creator>kbarton10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MHH.

I&#039;d be happy to assist if you want answers on the eBay process and what rod is appropriate for your fishing. That first tackle purchase is hellish - as their is so much to learn and most of that comes with experience.

I&#039;m sure TC would also be happy to answer any of your questions, drop us a note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MHH.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy to assist if you want answers on the eBay process and what rod is appropriate for your fishing. That first tackle purchase is hellish &#8211; as their is so much to learn and most of that comes with experience.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure TC would also be happy to answer any of your questions, drop us a note.</p>
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		<title>By: MHH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MHH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay,

Good point about the warranty.  I&#039;m pretty close to 100% sure I&#039;m going to buy one of the cheaper Orvis graphite rods (either the Clearwater II or the TLS) to get started, so that will at least give me something reliable.  If it is indeed possible to get a decent bamboo rod online for something in the neighborhood of $150-250, I would like to have one to compare to the graphite.  Goal being to determine which material I want to save my shekels for to upgrade later.

I guess the crux of the issue is there&#039;s not really any such thing as an entry level bamboo rod that you can buy new from a manufacturer or an independent rodsmith.  Most of them appear to cost about twice as much as a top of the line graphite rod.  That&#039;s hard to justify when I haven&#039;t had the experience to convince myself that bamboo is better, let alone &lt;i&gt;two or three times better&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay,</p>
<p>Good point about the warranty.  I&#8217;m pretty close to 100% sure I&#8217;m going to buy one of the cheaper Orvis graphite rods (either the Clearwater II or the TLS) to get started, so that will at least give me something reliable.  If it is indeed possible to get a decent bamboo rod online for something in the neighborhood of $150-250, I would like to have one to compare to the graphite.  Goal being to determine which material I want to save my shekels for to upgrade later.</p>
<p>I guess the crux of the issue is there&#8217;s not really any such thing as an entry level bamboo rod that you can buy new from a manufacturer or an independent rodsmith.  Most of them appear to cost about twice as much as a top of the line graphite rod.  That&#8217;s hard to justify when I haven&#8217;t had the experience to convince myself that bamboo is better, let alone <i>two or three times better</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

Orvis makes an excellet offering. You may get a great deal on line but...you may want to patronize your local dealer. One you keep a man alive, two you get the warranty...which is nice and being a beginer you will probably need said warranty. When you become addicted like the rest of us you can begin mortgaging your home for fly fishing equipment. You most likely will end up divorced and heavily reliant on alcohol and trout steams!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>Orvis makes an excellet offering. You may get a great deal on line but&#8230;you may want to patronize your local dealer. One you keep a man alive, two you get the warranty&#8230;which is nice and being a beginer you will probably need said warranty. When you become addicted like the rest of us you can begin mortgaging your home for fly fishing equipment. You most likely will end up divorced and heavily reliant on alcohol and trout steams!</p>
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		<title>By: MHH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MHH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m new to fly fishing, though I&#039;ve been casting on spinning tackle for most of my 30 years.  I am interested in trying both bamboo and graphite, less interested in spending a grand or two on a rod at the moment.  If anyone&#039;s got any tips regarding what to look for in a used rod on eBay, I&#039;d be much obliged if you&#039;re willing to share.  There are some decent-looking pieces on there for a couple hundred bucks or so, but that&#039;s still a significant chunk of change that I don&#039;t want to just throw away on a relic that won&#039;t perform.

Cheers,
Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m new to fly fishing, though I&#8217;ve been casting on spinning tackle for most of my 30 years.  I am interested in trying both bamboo and graphite, less interested in spending a grand or two on a rod at the moment.  If anyone&#8217;s got any tips regarding what to look for in a used rod on eBay, I&#8217;d be much obliged if you&#8217;re willing to share.  There are some decent-looking pieces on there for a couple hundred bucks or so, but that&#8217;s still a significant chunk of change that I don&#8217;t want to just throw away on a relic that won&#8217;t perform.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Kieren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Kieren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom: In your article above reviewing the ZG Orvis rod, you mentioned that it does some things very well.  If you can remember way back when you tested out this rod,      1. what are the things it does very well and
               2. what are the things it doesnt do very well.

You may compare it to other rods in the Orvis line, that would be better indoing the things the ZG doesnt&#039; do well, etc.  Thanks.  tom   (again)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: In your article above reviewing the ZG Orvis rod, you mentioned that it does some things very well.  If you can remember way back when you tested out this rod,      1. what are the things it does very well and<br />
               2. what are the things it doesnt do very well.</p>
<p>You may compare it to other rods in the Orvis line, that would be better indoing the things the ZG doesnt&#8217; do well, etc.  Thanks.  tom   (again)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Kieren</title>
		<link>http://troutunderground.com/2007/03/06/the-orvis-zero-gravity-fly-rod-an-underground-review/comment-page-1/#comment-52956</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Kieren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I will take a quick look at the T3 and the Superfine - maybe even the Trident if I have time. Prices are pretty good these days.  Question: if the ZG was such a good rod, why did Orvis discontinue it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I will take a quick look at the T3 and the Superfine &#8211; maybe even the Trident if I have time. Prices are pretty good these days.  Question: if the ZG was such a good rod, why did Orvis discontinue it?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 00:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom: One is better than the other; it&#039;s simply a matter of which casts more naturally for you. In truth, the difference isn&#039;t huge, but I also thought you could save a few bucks on a T3, which you might actually prefer to the ZeroG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: One is better than the other; it&#8217;s simply a matter of which casts more naturally for you. In truth, the difference isn&#8217;t huge, but I also thought you could save a few bucks on a T3, which you might actually prefer to the ZeroG.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Kieren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Kieren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for getting back.  For what kind of fishing would you want to have a &quot;compound taper&quot; and the same for a &quot;straight taper&quot;? vis a vis the ZG 5 wt. two piece rod?  I would&#039;nt have known the difference since I&#039;m not very experienced in the technologies involved here and how they may impact different kinds of fishing, i.e. lake, river, stream, vs. bass, trout, etc. vs. windy vs calm conditions.  I&#039;m considering fishing while wading on the Deleware and lesser size rivers for the most part. Maybe use a pontoon occasionally just for some variety.  Thanks, tom kieren</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for getting back.  For what kind of fishing would you want to have a &#8220;compound taper&#8221; and the same for a &#8220;straight taper&#8221;? vis a vis the ZG 5 wt. two piece rod?  I would&#8217;nt have known the difference since I&#8217;m not very experienced in the technologies involved here and how they may impact different kinds of fishing, i.e. lake, river, stream, vs. bass, trout, etc. vs. windy vs calm conditions.  I&#8217;m considering fishing while wading on the Deleware and lesser size rivers for the most part. Maybe use a pontoon occasionally just for some variety.  Thanks, tom kieren</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom: I think that kind of thing happens with a lot of 4-pc rods (streamer geek Ian Rutter prefers 2-pc rods for streamer fishing for this very reason). The bottom ferrule on my ZeroG came apart once while being fished by someone else, but no damage done, and hasn&#039;t happened since, though I&#039;ve lost the tip on my 4-pc Steffen fiberglass rod twice too. 

Before you buy a Zero G, try to test cast the same rod in a T3; the ZeroG is a compound taper, and I&#039;m told the T3 (and the Helios) rods are relatively straight tapers, and some prefer one over the others. 

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom: I think that kind of thing happens with a lot of 4-pc rods (streamer geek Ian Rutter prefers 2-pc rods for streamer fishing for this very reason). The bottom ferrule on my ZeroG came apart once while being fished by someone else, but no damage done, and hasn&#8217;t happened since, though I&#8217;ve lost the tip on my 4-pc Steffen fiberglass rod twice too. </p>
<p>Before you buy a Zero G, try to test cast the same rod in a T3; the ZeroG is a compound taper, and I&#8217;m told the T3 (and the Helios) rods are relatively straight tapers, and some prefer one over the others. </p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 05:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard from an old very well known Penn. trout and bass fishing pro who told me that Orvis had problems with the ZG rods, such that when some folks cast it, sometimes the four piece rod simply came apart where they connect.  I&quot;m considering buying an Orvis ZG 5wt. 9 ft model and wonder if anyone else wants to weigh in on this rod.  Presumably, whatever problems this rod has experienced, they have been cleared up by now.  thk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard from an old very well known Penn. trout and bass fishing pro who told me that Orvis had problems with the ZG rods, such that when some folks cast it, sometimes the four piece rod simply came apart where they connect.  I&#8221;m considering buying an Orvis ZG 5wt. 9 ft model and wonder if anyone else wants to weigh in on this rod.  Presumably, whatever problems this rod has experienced, they have been cleared up by now.  thk</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom B: I cast the 7&#039;9&quot; Superfine and it was certainly nice, though I&#039;ve got a &lt;i&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt; of really nice 8&#039; 5wt cane and glass rods, so I&#039;m unlikely to make any buys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom B: I cast the 7&#8242;9&#8243; Superfine and it was certainly nice, though I&#8217;ve got a <i>lot</i> of really nice 8&#8242; 5wt cane and glass rods, so I&#8217;m unlikely to make any buys.</p>
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